Will Jason Campbell return?

Don't misunderstand our angle. I think we all want him to do well. We just don't feel based on the numbers we have on him, and on our limited ability to analyze his skills, that he's going to take a huge step forward this year.

That is honestly how i feel. And i can back it up with 36 starts, just over 2 years of hard numbers. Granted, i probably put too much stock in cold hard touchdowns.

The argument that he's finally able to be in the same system 2 years in a row does hold some water. But i can't quantify that potential success with any hard numbers. You could bring up the 'Matt Hasselback developed at this pace argument'. But that argument sucks too, there are too many variables for an apple to apple comparison.

My solution does not make for good discussion board material, but my argument would be that you have to wait for this year to make a real judgment one way or the other. And the thing is, you really have nothing really to lose. If Campbell fails then his contract is up and you let him walk. If he succeeds you resign him (and if it is an uncapped year he is an RFA anyway). That is why all the trade talk with Cutler and Sanchez made no sense, except for the fact that DS thinks this team is a perennial Super Bowl contender and can win "right now." The rest of us know a little bit better and realize there are substantial potential deficiencies with this team, most notably age and depth (another reason it made no sense to execute a big time trade for a QB).

The major problem with Campbell at this point, and what most detractors are circling around with their criticism of him, is his lack of willingness to take chances with his throws. The physical tools are there, he can make the throws, he is actually an accurate passer (and has improved each year), so the question becomes whether the tentative part of his game is correctable? That is what we have to find out this year. Same system, so he should have greater confidence. If he simply lacks the athletic arrogance (which you can see in an extreme form with Cutler, and is what separates Roethisberger from Campbell despite the statistical comparability) to take some chances then he does have a limited ceiling. If he can become more agressive then he can be successful. So that is what we have to find out in 2009 ... and we do so with very little risk.

I totally agree with your analysis. Which brings me back to a concern i voiced yesterday about his athletic arrogance(as you called it). I think that's just a part of who he is. He is cautious to a fault.

Someone with deceptively poor statistics at the beginning of their career that turned out to be a stud???Eli Manning? If you want to call him a stud.

its the league we play in.. its all on the QB

the pats D slowed the greatest show on turf. Adam V kicked the winning fg and all the cred goes to Brady.Do you consider Snyder a good businessman? Why would a good businessman go out and spend 100 million dollars, 41 million guarenteed, on a player who doesn't matter because he's not a Quarterback. Seems like the gaffe of the century and you should be outraged!

How are they 'deceptively poor' stats? Are they poor or not? At that point in his career how would you classify him? If he were the QB of your team what would you be advocating to be done with him? More patience, trade, outright release?Paintrain, what age and draft position is the player you speak of?

Eli Manning? If you want to call him a stud.


I don't really want to. But damn, that ring is shiny.

Is their anyone on this board who honestly believes that if Peyton, Tom, or Ben changed systems as much as the Redskins have in the last 4-5 years, it wouldn't affect their play? Or more to the point, the teams play? Doe's anyone really believe they would win as much if they changed offensive systems every year? Let's not forget the QB is not the only one who has to learn a new system. The receiver we just signed, Roydell or whatever his name is, is pretty lost right now and he's not a rookie. He's just new to this system. JC has frustrated the hell out of me at times, but I'm waiting to pass judgement on him after he's been given a chance to completely learn and play in a system for more than 1 year. To say changing systems is just an excuse is pure BS and shows a lack of football related knowledge IMO. If Jason doesn't progress this year or continues to make the same mistakes, then he needs to go. But to completely dismiss constantly changing offensive systems as a variable in a QB's progression or for a teams lack of offensive output is crazy.

Don't misunderstand our angle. I think we all want him to do well. We just don't feel based on the numbers we have on him, and on our limited ability to analyze his skills, that he's going to take a huge step forward this year. What if I told you that he already took that huge step forward last year (in my opinion), sometime between weeks 2-5, or possibly weeks 11-13, but that it was masked by the fact that every one else on offense was so terrible.

Then, as my logic follows, if the offense around Campbell is just a little less horriffic, he should pick up right where he left off, at a pro bowl level.

Here's a tip, if you have to point to a single (one) season as evidence that a player can't get it done, you're likely seeing too many other variables to know. You see his improvements as "super-slow", in the data, but the rest of us just see them as "there," and need more information to see if a breakout is coming/has already come.

Is their anyone on this board who honestly believes that if Peyton, Tom, or Ben changed systems as much as the Redskins have in the last 4-5 years, it wouldn't affect their play? Or more to the point, the teams play? Doe's anyone really believe they would win as much if they changed offensive systems every year? Let's not forget the QB is not the only one who has to learn a new system. The receiver we just signed, Roydell or whatever his name is, is pretty lost right now and he's not a rookie. He's just new to this system. JC has frustrated the hell out of me at times, but I'm waiting to pass judgement on him after he's been given a chance to completely learn and play in a system for more than 1 year. To say changing systems is just an excuse is pure BS and shows a lack of football related knowledge IMO. If Jason doesn't progress this year or continues to make the same mistakes, then he needs to go. But to completely dismiss constantly changing offensive systems as a variable in a QB's progression or for a teams lack of offensive output is crazy.

It's not being completely dismissive. And it is a variable in a QB's development. Just not alone a very good excuse for not leaping forward. Your final analysis is accurate though...should he not perform, goodbye.

Uh oh, Tripps getting arrogant again ;)