the new health care?

Industry reps offer $2 trillion in health savings (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30672330/)
i don't know about you guys, but this scares the shit out of me. that these companies are this eager to get that bill passed

The upfront tab for the federal government from Obama's proposed expansion of health coverage will be due right away while the savings he expects from wringing waste and inefficiency from the health care system will take longer to show up.

I know it has been said many times, and many ways, but since when have we relied on the government to decrease inefficiencies?

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Industry reps offer $2 trillion in health savings (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30672330/)
i don't know about you guys, but this scares the shit out of me. that these companies are this eager to get that bill passed
Not sure why it would scare the sh%^ out of you if corporations are looking to reduce cost? I personally think if the goverment can get the health industry to start looking for each and every way to reduce cost that is the best way to start. I do know that if goverment try's to take over health ins. it will only get worse and more expensive.

I know it has been said many times, and many ways, but since when have we relied on the government to decrease inefficiencies?

In the 1930's and 40's. It was called Fascism and National Socialism, Mr. Mussolini made the trains run on time.

In the 1930's and 40's. It was called Fascism and National Socialism, Mr. Mussolini made the trains run on time.

And Wilson promised a Chicken in every pot or something like that, but in both cases the economic and social prices seem awfully high. (and just because something runs on time doesn't mean its doing it efficiently. I am not saying his wasn't efficient, just pointing out a faulty analogy on your part ;) )

Democracy is a beautiful thing. Go get people to vote for your preferred policy and you too can enjoy whatever form of government you want. It's a shame the jazz in some people's mouth is still so worm they have to resort to using cliché and buzz words like fascism and socialism. Terrible shame.

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saden, you know the word change is equal to the word fear in alot of peoples minds. the thing that worries me is that these money making machines are so anxious to get this bill passed, even before congress actually even sees it. there must be a whole lot of incentives( $) in it for them. and in turn, this usually means the average Joe's, like me and you, are getting screwed. don't get me wrong, im for universal health care. but i would like to see it done right

Democracy is a beautiful thing. Go get people to vote for your preferred policy and you too can enjoy whatever form of government you want. It's a shame the jazz in some people's mouth is still so worm they have to resort to using cliché and buzz words like fascism and socialism. Terrible shame.

I hear Somalia is great this time of the year. Don't forget to get a tan, we don't want you to standout.

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I'm with you that all "ism" words get thrown around so much they loose their meaning.

Wow. Let's all just miss the point.

Democratic governments, by nature are less efficient b/c they are concerned with fairness. National Socialism, Facism and other autocratic/authoritarian forms of government are more likely to be "efficient" b/c they need not worry about being re-elected.

The original comment was something like "when have we relied on governments reducing inefficiency". I only used the fascist/national socialism example b/c of the infamous quote about Mussolini and the trains. To me, it summed up the inevitable price we pay for living in a democracy.

Obviously, their are exceptions, but, in general, and b/c we value fairness, any time we devise a system to determine how benefits should be divided, built into that system will be ways to challenge and test the fairness of the govt's actions. An authoritarian form of govt. (such as Nazism or Fascism) is not bound by these strictures and simply says "You get X, if you don't like it tough sh**."

That was my only point.