Holmgren on Campbell

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Maybe if Holmgren comes back to coach with a different team he can take Campbell off our hands.

You think he'd come here after we got rid of Zorn? That's not a rhetorical question, but an actual one.

And how much do we think what Holmgren was saying was about Cambpell? Possible he's just trying to help buy Zorn more time, plus knows that the offense takes awhile? I mean even Zorn said he doesn't know if Campbell will end up being the guy, but said he has faith that he can be.

I doubt that Holmgren has studied Campbell anywhere near the level that Zorn has. Doesn't appear he really even spoke on any of Campbell's abilities. I think that just ties in with him not having studied Campbell as well though, not trying to say Campbell can't get it done.

I don't think he needs to study him extensively, the facts are pretty commonly known and despite JC detractors efforts to minimize them, are legitimate factors in his "slow" development. Multiple offenses in a short period of time. Lack of multiple playmakers in the receiving corp. Inconsistent offensive line play. Give a guy another year in a system that most QB take 3 years to master, he's had one-patience. Give the guys young receivers another year to mature and grow-patience. Give the guy and a new head coach time to adapt and learn each other-patience. As much as we kill Snyder for his impatience, Redskins fans are a bunch of mini-mes in that regard.

I don't think he needs to study him extensively, the facts are pretty commonly known and despite JC detractors efforts to minimize them, are legitimate factors in his "slow" development. Multiple offenses in a short period of time. Lack of multiple playmakers in the receiving corp. Inconsistent offensive line play. Give a guy another year in a system that most QB take 3 years to master, he's had one-patience. Give the guys young receivers another year to mature and grow-patience. Give the guy and a new head coach time to adapt and learn each other-patience. As much as we kill Snyder for his impatience, Redskins fans are a bunch of mini-mes in that regard.

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Is holmgren looking for a front office gig.I think we should replace some people there. Not just for the qb offseason deal, we have a revolving door on coaches and offenses but some how there never a shake up in the front office. Holmgren on Campbell i think he might know a little bit on the matter i just hope the front office listens 2 him.

Unfortunately, your knowledge of our offense last year seems to end at this, so color us unconvinced at your argument.

well smart guy, convince me our offense was above average. you going to blame Portis for our lack of scoring? i do know the offense..JC wasnt the only problem, true, but he didnt step up very often outside the saints game. Defenses dont fear him in the least.

well smart guy, convince me our offense was above average. you going to blame Portis for our lack of scoring? i do know the offense..JC wasnt the only problem, true, but he didnt step up very often outside the saints game. Defenses dont fear him in the least.First of all, I never said that we were an above average offense. I also never said we weren't. All I said is that if you were trying to make the the argument that looking at our offensive totals from a negative light is evidence that Campbell can't run our offense, you were highly unconvincing. I also didn't want to waste a ton of words (and everyone elses words) pointing that out.

Where I'm coming from is a world where no one has ever made a strong argument that Campbell shouldn't be our starter next year. This includes our own managament. Is there a reason to be concerned about Campbell as our future? Perhaps there is, but I've never read, heard, or have been able to come up with a strong argument that suggests that replacing him now would be in the best interest of the team.

Do understand that you aren't all alone in your belief that Campbell won't ever get it done here. But reason does abandon you.

well smart guy, convince me our offense was above average. you going to blame Portis for our lack of scoring? i do know the offense..JC wasnt the only problem, true, but he didnt step up very often outside the saints game. Defenses dont fear him in the least.
You're reinforcing his point by saying that 'he didn't step up very often'. Go back (if you have them or access to them) and watch the games. There were 3 games he was terrible in, 1st NYG, Pittsburgh and Baltimore, but then again we were terrible as a team in those games. Watch the Cincy, St. Louis, SF games again, those are the losses that kept us out of the playoffs and tell me how he didn't "step up".

A QB, moreso than ANY OTHER POSITION ON THE FIELD, can't perform without complimentary players. You can't ignore the OL disappointing down the stretch. For example, do you realize that in the Eagles game (which we won) we started Jason Fabini at RT? Seriously, Jason Fabini. What QB/offense is going to scare a defense starting Jason Fabini.

You can't ignore that we had 1.5 options in the passing game and defenses knew it so they took them away. It wasn't Campbell that defenses didn't fear, it was our offense as a whole. The formula was simple, take away Portis, double Moss, bracket Cooley and you stop our offense cold.

What other QB, please name at least one, would have thrived under those conditions. I'm not saying that JC is/was perfect or anything better than a slightly above average QB last season but the dissection of his lack of ability to be an NFL starter has gone beyond ridiculousness.