Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)

C'mon Matty! That was sarcasm at it's finest.

Hard to tell around here sometimes. Just look at the posts about giving up on Kelly already or cutting Randle El. :doh:

I really can't stress how baffling this mentality is to me. You don't give up on young players after one injury. He has done the things necessary (microfracture surgery) to correct it and now give the kid a chance to perform in camp before ending his tenure with the team.

Some of you guys whine like little b*tches about not building thru the draft and trading away draft picks and blah blah blah but are so quick to pull the trigger on one of those draft picks after one season and one partial offseason. Amazing.

It's just retarded.

Kelly on his knee from an interview with Redskins Blog last month:
How's the knee doing?

Kelly: "It's doing good, man. Actually, right now, it's almost stronger than the other one. The quad muscle actually is bigger than the healthy leg, so I'm doing good."

Are you on schedule, then?

Kelly: "I'm a little bit ahead, actually. Like I said, it's looking good, so I've just gotta make sure. Last year, I really didn't ... since I just had the problem, I really didn't keep a real maintenance program. This year, I'm gonna keep a maintenance program throughout the whole year, keep it nice and strong."

And you're working with the training staff and everyone on that?

Kelly: "Yeah, Larry and Elliot, you know, all those guys. With them, and then [Head of Strength & Conditioning] John Hastings has me do certain stuff, stuff that strengthens it, stuff like that, so I'm on a roll right now."

So do you expect to be ready to go at hundred percent by preseason?

Kelly: "Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. I'm gonna do the last OTA. During the time of the first OTAs I'll just be strengthening and running and stuff like that, but the last OTA I'll get in and hopefully do like I did last OTA and training camp and this time just keep it rolling, man, right into the season."

From what you learned last training camp, is there something you would do differently this time through?

Kelly: "I think, knowing now that I'd messed up my knee before, I think -- like I said -- that I'd keep a maintenance program on it. Even when it's feeling good, even when it's not hurting, I'll always strengthen it all throughout the year, so it never gets to a weak point.

"Like I say, your body's your business now, so anything I can do to take care of my body, you know, I'm gonna do it. I'm actually changing my diet right now and all that kinda stuff, so...."

From an interview with Redskins.com in February:
In an effort to add more size to their wide receiver corps, the Redskins grabbed the 6-4, 219-pound Kelly in the middle of the second round of the draft.

His knee flared up early in training camp, keeping him on the sidelines most of his rookie campaign.

For the season, Kelly played in just five games and caught three passes for 18 yards.

Kelly was asked if the knee injury was something that could hinder him his entire career.

“No, I don’t think so,” he said. “I [suffered] the injury in college, and after I rehabbed it, I never thought about it again. I never did anything to keep the muscles around my leg real strong.

“There are things I know now that I didn’t know then [about rehabbing the knee and keeping it strong]. There are a lot of things I can do to prevent it from re-occurring.

“It’s healing up, I just have to make sure I take better care of it.”

I really can't stress how baffling this mentality is to me. You don't give up on young players after one injury. He has done the things necessary (microfracture surgery) to correct it and now give the kid a chance to perform in camp before ending his tenure with the team.

Some of you guys whine like little b*tches about not building thru the draft and trading away draft picks and blah blah blah but are so quick to pull the trigger on one of those draft picks after one season and one partial offseason. Amazing.

This isn't one injury. How many surgeries has he had on the same knee, is it two, three or more? (just with us, not counting college). It doesn't worry you that he has as many surgeries as catches? And I can see why you are baffled because you were unable to understand the point in the post even though you highlighted it. Let's try again, IF THIS LINGERS INTO AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER HOW LONG DOES HE DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT? That was the question.

Building through the draft is essential but picking guys who have major knee issues in college seems to be pretty stupid but we continue to do it. We did it with Rocky and he has proven that he can't play at his highest level for a whole season. Then we draft Kelly and all he has proven is that James Andrews will never get bored. I have not given up on Kelly but if he is a ghost in the pre-season again because of knee injuries, I say toss him or at least IR him (which was idiotic not to do last year).

This isn't one injury. How many surgeries has he had on the same knee, is it two, three or more? (just with us, not counting college). It doesn't worry you that he has as many surgeries as catches? And I can see why you are baffled because you were unable to understand the point in the post even though you highlighted it. Let's try again, IF THIS LINGERS INTO AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER HOW LONG DOES HE DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT? That was the question.

Building through the draft is essential but picking guys who have major knee issues in college seems to be pretty stupid but we continue to do it. We did it with Rocky and he has proven that he can't play at his highest level for a whole season. Then we draft Kelly and all he has proven is that James Andrews will never get bored. I have not given up on Kelly but if he is a ghost in the pre-season again because of knee injuries, I say toss him or at least IR him (which was idiotic not to do last year).It's one injury. He hasn't injured the knee multiple times, it's been swelling and cartilage. He's had 2 surgeries on it (as a Redskin) and is recovering on schedule. If it lingers into August and September then depending on the projected recovery he deserves a roster spot until proven that he won't be able to contribute at any point during the season. Read the post immediately above your last one for his direct comments, not JLC speculation.

Pardon the mistake fellas, I thought we had signed Hacket. I thought I read somewhere that Hacket was offered and signed but most likely it said he was offered and expected to sign. Washington was offered but was going to check out the Ravens camp this week or weekend then make a decision.

I can see Hacket making the team, perhaps even replacing Thrash in his roll, only cause he does the same job as Thrash at a younger age plus already has played in this type of offense for a few yrs with Zorn in Seattle. Not saying he's a Chad Johnson but simply knows the plays and does the same job as Thrash but younger.

Reading up on Washington does not excite me. drafted by the Bengals in the 3rd round in 2003. I understand they have talent or did at the time in Cinci so I imagine it was hard getting playing time. Then goes to the Patriots and catches like one catch for 3 yrds in his 2 seasons with them, he was mainly a special teamer.

It's one injury. He hasn't injured the knee multiple times, it's been swelling and cartilage. He's had 2 surgeries on it (as a Redskin) and is recovering on schedule. If it lingers into August and September then depending on the projected recovery he deserves a roster spot until proven that he won't be able to contribute at any point during the season. Read the post immediately above your last one for his direct comments, not JLC speculation.

Well I apologize if I am a little skeptical towards a guy who came to camp hurt, stayed hurt througout OTAs and camp, was hurt in the pre-season, catches his first ball and gets hurt, has had multiple surgeries on a knee that he blew out in college and is coming of micro fracture surgery (which was the athletic kiss of death a few years ago) then tells me that everything is on schedule.

Well I apologize if I am a little skeptical towards a guy who came to camp hurt, stayed hurt througout OTAs and camp, was hurt in the pre-season, catches his first ball and gets hurt, has had multiple surgeries on a knee that he blew out in college and is coming of micro fracture surgery (which was the athletic kiss of death a few years ago) then tells me that everything is on schedule.

To my recollection he wasn't hurt last year until the 2nd week of training camp. I don't remember him being hurt in any of the minicamps or OTAs. I know he was out of NFL shape and failed the training run, as did Thomas, but I don't recall any injury.

Regardless, I guess it's just a different way of looking at things. I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt in May based on everything coming from the player, coaches and team rather than speculate negatively that he is going to remain injured despite the evidence to the contrary.

To my recollection he wasn't hurt last year until the 2nd week of training camp. I don't remember him being hurt in any of the minicamps or OTAs. I know he was out of NFL shape and failed the training run, as did Thomas, but I don't recall any injury.

Regardless, I guess it's just a different way of looking at things. I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt in May based on everything coming from the player, coaches and team rather than speculate negatively that he is going to remain injured despite the evidence to the contrary.

If you listened to the Coaches and player you would have thought that no surgery was necessary after a wasted season since that was what Zorn and Kelly said in December. Then it turns out that he needs major surgery in February (albeit, they said it wasn't as bad as they thought when they were in there). I am curious how you say there is no evidence to the contrary? I would argue there is no evidence that he can be counted on to contribute.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see this guy healthy and on the field. He was one of the most productive receivers in college football but at this point, I really have no expectations for him.

IF THIS LINGERS INTO AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER HOW LONG DOES HE DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT? That was the question.

If this lingers into August and September, he won't take a roster spot - we will probably IR him. That way, we're not totally giving up on him, but we're not wasting a roster spot for him another year. The only receivers "garaunteed" roster spots right now are Thoms, ARE, and Moss. Thrash has several younger guys who are just as good on special teams with more upside at WR competing to replace him. If Kelly doesnt heal up, i fully expect him to be IRed and another of these camp guys will replace him for 2009. In 2010, AREs getting cut (the cap hit is only about 4M after the restructure he did this offseason), so if Kelly is IRed this year, he can take AREs spot next year without having to cut anyone we don't want to to make room.

I'm still hopeful Kellys knee will heal up, but my gut is telling me it won't. Many teams took Kelly off their boards completely last year because of his knee. The same knee has kept him from doing much of anything for over a year. So far, i've heard nothing to make me think this won't be an ongoing problem. Thank goodness we have Devin Thomas and Fred Davis. I think they both have breakout years and Thomas becomes our #1 WR in 2010.