Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams

We've talked about this before. 5 years ago JC was a junior at Auburn. Please re-adjust your time line.

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Look at the experience tab...

This guy is 410 pounds and out of the league for 3 years. I figured he sustained an injury and was now ready to play. I thought why in hell would the Redskins take this on. Then I read that he lives with Dockery and his wife and thought to myself that maybe, this was part of Dockery signing here. What do you guys think. Just makes no sense.

Your "experience tab" means that he is going into his 5th year.

Let's do math: It is now April 2009. 5 years ago was April 2004.

JC was drafted in April 2005.

Therefore, in April 2004 or 5 years ago, JC was junior at Auburn.

But I'll tell you what: In order to have 5 NFL years under his belt, JC would have had to play the 2004 season. Find me his NFL stats from 2004 and I'll change my mind. If you cannot find those stats then please change your time line.

But we haven't necessarily had the same people running the show

2000-Snyder
2001-Marty
2002-2003-Spurrier
2004-2007-Gibbs
2008-Present-Cerrato

Fine. I'll subtract the 8-8 season under Marty.

Steve Spurrier was hardly running the show during 2002-03. Under Gibbs, Cerrato was still player personnel director, and Lil' Danny held the purse strings.

Either way you slice it, Lil' Danny has been here for the last ten years doing the hiring. In any business, the one who's doing the hiring is the one who gets the blame. And he's got a 68-76 record to show for it.

You know and I know those numbers show he's not getting it done.

At first when we picked eddie Williams of Idaho I thought the card person messed up and meant this guy...
Also I think he's a better pick than most of our second day picks

Fine. I'll subtract the 8-8 season under Marty.

Steve Spurrier was hardly running the show during 2002-03. Under Gibbs, Cerrato was still player personnel director, and Lil' Danny held the purse strings.

Either way you slice it, Lil' Danny has been here for the last ten years doing the hiring. In any business, the one who's doing the hiring is the one who gets the blame. And he's got a 68-76 record to show for it.

You know and I know those numbers show he's not getting it done.

Fine. Danny has been in charge for 10 years, that is true. So, if you don't want to be patient, what are you going to change? Trade Danny? As much as I'd like to, that's not realistic.

My time line?!?!? check your stats, i dont know how the hell this is discussable, he has been on our team for 4 years. Going on 5.

I see you already got it. The number you are looking for is four years, not 5 as you previously stated.

Further, JC rode the bench as a rookie. You're really going to criticize him for not producing then?

The fact is that JC has only about 1 3/4 years experience as a starter. When it comes to being patient with JC, that is the number which needs to be discussed. Not 5 years for sure, not even 4 years, but 1 3/4 years.

No, its been Dan and Vinny the whole time. Let's not kid ourselves. Marty wanted to do his own thing, but they got tired of that after... one year, then was Spurrier, who was Dan's lap dog, just like Vinny. Gibbs... eh, thats arguable, he ran the show some of the time, but pick ups like Lloyd, Archuletta, and Duckett, they smelled like Dan ad Vinny had thier fingers in it.

I love how we only talk about the mess ups of the FO. How about the Santana Moss trade? How about Griffen, Springs, and Daniels signings. I will not bore everone on the board with this discussion any longer but I think that to say things like our FO is stupid or retarded just doesn't really hold water with me. They have areas where they can improve. You cant just compare us to Indy, Pitt, and New England every time. These are elite franchises with years of stability in coaching and systems. If we stay the course we could eventually get there. I actually am happy with our offseason. We have gotten younger at a lot of positions and have upgraded both our offensive and defensive lines (and we aren't done yet). And our O-line shoudl be better just with the improvement of the guys already there. Lets have some faith.

HTTR

Your "experience tab" means that he is going into his 5th year.

Let's do math: It is now April 2009. 5 years ago was April 2004.

JC was drafted in April 2005.

Therefore, in April 2004 or 5 years ago, JC was junior at Auburn.

But I'll tell you what: In order to have 5 NFL years under his belt, JC would have had to play the 2004 season. Find me his NFL stats from 2004 and I'll change my mind. If you cannot find those stats then please change your time line.

haha, man, look at what i said. he is GOING into his fifth year. GOING into implies he is not there yet. He was drafted in 2005, so his term is as follows:
2005 (1), 2006 (2), 2007(3), 2008(4) aaand GOING into 2009(5).

Fine. Danny has been in charge for 10 years, that is true. So, if you don't want to be patient, what are you going to change? Trade Danny? As much as I'd like to, that's not realistic.

I actually have sympathy for this point of view: There's no point in bitching about ownership because it's not going to change. That's the one argument from the Front Office Defenders that I can respect. I get that.

It is beyond me though, that there is still a contingent of fans that act as loyal pawns of this regime. So quick to roll their eyes at anyone who makes a legitimate argument against the front office. "I guess it's more fun to bash the F.O." they'll say...

Win some games, and that will change.

Winners don't tolerate a 7-9 season average over ten years. Losers do.