Portis and the Denver System Revisited

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha
09-21-2004, 11:31 AM
I happen to believe that Portis is one of the league's best backs. But if you do not believe that the Denver system makes backs look damn good, you are in denial and need help.

Well, this is my intervention. The formerly-Alex Gibbs-coached Denver line makes Quentin Griffin, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, Terrell Davis and just about every other back look awesome. Sure Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis were/are both great backs, but there's no doubt that the system made them really shine.

Portis averaged just 3.0 yards per carry (excluding that awesome 64-yard cut back for the TD) last week. Many said, you can't take away the 64-yard TD run. True enough, he got it, he's good, end of story as far as that week's stats are concerned. BUT, taking away the 64-yard run was useful in examining how good the run-blocking really was and how quick Clinton was in hitting those holes.

Many then said, well, it was Tampa Bay's defense that limited Portis. Okay, well then, why was it that the Giants defense limited him to less than 70 yards and a 3.5 yards-per-carry average? The Giants defense has not been a powerhouse in awhile and the Eagles had a pretty easy time running ball in Week 1.

To give you some perspective, Troy Hambrick fared better last year in his ypc than Portis did last week against the G-men (or against the Bucs if you take away the 64-yarder). The running game is stinking up the stadiums and needs to improve for Gibbs to be successful.

For those of you who are about to have a sh-t-fit, take a deep breath. I know that Portis is great, I know that Bugel will shore up the run-blocking, and I know that it's only week 2. But, if you are not a little concerned about Portis' low ypc stat, Portis' apparent slowness in hitting the holes (when they exist), and the poor run-blocking, you should be.

SUNRA
09-21-2004, 12:11 PM
I'm not concerned at all with the run blocking. Portis has to way for his blockers to open the hole instead of running on their hills and causing one of the fumbles. Portis gained 1,500 yds. for two consecutive seasons because of big one play yard gains. He also showed us that he can run a WR route and catch a TD if he has to. That's a play that we should use against Dallas.

Shane
09-21-2004, 12:13 PM
I think that we have an issue with offensive line stability. The Broncos' line had the same coach and the same players I think more or less for many years. We have had players coached in a system from Spurrier that should not have been in the NFL as it became clear.

Now we are finally getting the proper coaching, but it does take some time to adjust, and this is true for the team as a whole. Teams don't transform themselves overnight. It takes time to reorient yourself to a new pole star (the new coaching staff and its methods).

Furthermore, we are still trying to adjust to the unfortunate loss of Jon Jansen. In two weeks we have put forward two starters at right tackle. We have instability on the offensive line.

Still you have to look at the results that players have and ask why those results are there. In the case of Clinton Portis, he is clearly showing his ability on more than the one long run, and his two year career is nearly unparallelled in NFL history.

Another thing to remember about the Broncos - they make very good choices about who to draft as running backs. It's not just the line. In baseball, look at the Oakland Athletics and their record drafting pitchers in low rounds who turn into Tim Hudson, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder and so forth. Teams can be good at drafting, particularly for certain positions.

cpayne5
09-21-2004, 12:15 PM
I agree 100% with your assessment.

Portis hurt himself Sunday. When you fumble twice and allow the other team to get easy points, you take carries away from yourself. He had an excellent first drive and this may have continued if not for the turnovers.

SmootSmack
09-21-2004, 12:52 PM
I guess the Jags figured something out Sunday. Holding Quentin to 66 yards on 25 carries.

Anyway, the Broncos system certainly helps its running backs, but give it time here. Gibbs' system does a fine job as well.

JWsleep
09-21-2004, 12:59 PM
The run blocking could certainly be better! Gibbs and Bugel would be the first to admit that. And no doubt Denver has a great system (which includes having great backs to run in it); what else explains their amazing production year after year? But Gibbs and Bugel are top of the line run coaches: they'll figure out just what works with this bunch. But all this takes TIME.

Look, we all said "Oh, the offense will take time to gell, the D will have to pick up the slack, etc." This is what that looks like! It ain't pretty, but we must go through this phase to get better. Further, (and this is a big deal, I think) the line has been hit with injuries. All the personel has rearely actually been on the field together. ANd Jansen is missing. But rest assured, it will come.

PS I am willing to bet that both Gibbs and Bugel have watched countless hours of Denver running game footage. THey know better than to try and reinvent the wheel.

memphisskin
09-21-2004, 02:03 PM
I wholeheartedly concur jwsleep, it will take TIME and Gibbs will undoubtedly borrow anything that he thinks will help.

The argument I heard most often was that Portis was the wrong type of runner for Gibbs' system. This argument basically says that Gibbs is blind and dumb, and will continue to try to push a round peg into a square hole.

I think Gibbs is about results. You don't win three SBs with three different qbs and three different running backs by focusing on a "system". I think the Gibbs system is about playing physical, smart football. I know Gibbs will find a way to get the running game going. My bet is that once the running game gets going, and it will at some point, the passing game will likely prosper.

Continuity. It's what I've been begging for out of Snyder since he bought the team. It's what Denver has and we don't, a continuous unbroken philosophy. Plus they've shown an ability to identify the types of runners that will do well in their system and have been successful in drafting those kinds of guys.

JWsleep
09-21-2004, 02:14 PM
Incidently, Griffin had 66 yards on 25 carries against the Jags. That's a 2.6 yard average. Is the magic gone?????

skins009
09-21-2004, 02:54 PM
If you look at the tape of the fist two games. Portis was a beast on the first drives of the games. Then teams started to stack to box. THere is no team that can run with a stacked box. We must be able to throw it, then teams will back off and Portis will be able to kill them the whole game instead of on the opening drives.

JWsleep
09-21-2004, 03:13 PM
Totally agree, Skins009.

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