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The Goat 04-24-2009, 01:27 PM Campbell is too old. There, I said it.
We talk a lot about defensive prospects being less likely to bust here because the environment is good for young defensive players. Well, we're actively working to create the opposite effect for a skill position on the offense. Kelly and Thomas are way more likely to bust when there is no stability at the QB position, and Sanchez simply isn't going to succeed where Campbell failed.
Here's the thing: whatever is good with Sanchez' developmental curve won't matter because it's not like we're all going to be patient with him all of a sudden. Matt Ryan was successful as a rookie because the Falcons spent years, and years trying to put an offense around Vick, and you got Chris Redman in there, and Redman enjoyed some success, and Ryan just happened to be a lot better than Redman.
But the pieces were already in place: two young receivers, a young-improving OL, and a new-refreshing coaching staff. I realize Kelly and Thomas could help with a guy like Sanchez, but they need all the help they can get right now themselves. Sorry, this move has like a 0% chance of success if we pull it off.
GT you're the trusted voice IMO...I wish the prospect was better but it's really, really worrisome right now.
SFREDSKIN 04-24-2009, 01:46 PM So I can celebrate everytime he throws a TD by doing the "Dirty Sanchez"!!
Urban Dictionary: dirty sanchez (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+sanchez)
Monkeydad 04-24-2009, 01:49 PM So I can celebrate everytime he throws a TD by doing the "Dirty Sanchez"!!
Urban Dictionary: dirty sanchez (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+sanchez)
No but I bet the opposing fans of whatever team he plays for will chant that every time he is sacked...which will be often if we draft him instead of a lineman.
tryfuhl 04-24-2009, 01:52 PM Yes I am judging him on that game... and a few others. If what Smoot is saying is true, which is they want a guy who can carry us when we have injuries and so forth, then why in the world are we looking at this guy? I didn't see any USC games where Sanchez faced adversity and had to bring his team from behind. And the few games he did face adversity he played like sub par. I mean if he's so great why didn't he beat out Booty? Booty, Leinart and Sanchez are all the same guy to me. Very good college players but they'll never be great pro's, just good ones. Not one of those guys have Carson Palmer ability so I see no reason to make a trade.
Many said he should've played instead of Booty but who knows. I don't have a clue whether he'll be worth a damn in the league or not; I'm not in love with him, but if we get him oh well. He seems like he could be an average QB if things don't work out, kinda like what we have.
SBXVII 04-24-2009, 01:54 PM Yes I am judging him on that game... and a few others. If what Smoot is saying is true, which is they want a guy who can carry us when we have injuries and so forth, then why in the world are we looking at this guy? I didn't see any USC games where Sanchez faced adversity and had to bring his team from behind. And the few games he did face adversity he played like sub par. I mean if he's so great why didn't he beat out Booty? Booty, Leinart and Sanchez are all the same guy to me. Very good college players but they'll never be great pro's, just good ones. Not one of those guys have Carson Palmer ability so I see no reason to make a trade.
Ok, fair enough. Here's JC's bad games to compare fairly;
WAS 7 @ NYG 16
STL 19 @ WAS 17
PIT 23 @ WAS 6
DAL 14 @ WAS 10
NYG 23 @ WAS 7
WAS 10 @ BAL 24
WAS 13 @ CIN 20
WAS 24 @ SF 27
All these games were losses. Now what your going to say is JC looked awsome even though the team lost? I can tell you I was unimpressed with most of those games especially the STL game and the SF game. I know we put up 24 points in the SF game but the game was ugly.
A game we won that I was not impressed with was the Detroit game. We should have smoked them and only squeeked by. I guess due to jet lag.
Does this mean Sanchez is the answer no. Does this mean he will be an excellent NFL QB? no. but he does have abilities JC apparently does not. I read somewhere that they felt Sanchez would most likely not start in the pros cause of his 16 games only but will eventually become a Tom Brady.
Which is why as owner I would pull JC aside and tell him to shut up. He's our QB next yr. The team is only looking out for itself for after next yr and if he plays well then he will get resigned and be the starter. If he blows and screws up then either he's let go or Sanchez can try.
tryfuhl 04-24-2009, 01:55 PM If we stay at #13 and Orapko is gone I'd expect us to trade down, maybe twice (Jets or Bucs for Freeman at #13 and once more into the late 1st). Imagine the outcry from the fans if we actually accumulate picks!!!
I like getting extra picks and all, but I haven't seen much reason to trust our talent evaluation later on, though the 13th pick really isn't a strong position, whoever we could get there we could probably get at 18 or 19, or someone just as good, the first round talent just isn't that deep it seems and really drops off around our pick, save maybe the USC LBs but who knows. We've only pulled a couple guys in the 2nd and mid rounds worth much of a mention.
tryfuhl 04-24-2009, 01:57 PM So I can celebrate everytime he throws a TD by doing the "Dirty Sanchez"!!
Urban Dictionary: dirty sanchez (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+sanchez)
Just do it with bean dip (this isn't a racist remark, just looks like poop and is typical gameday fare)
SFREDSKIN 04-24-2009, 02:01 PM Just do it with bean dip (this isn't a racist remark, just looks like poop and is typical gameday fare)
Sweet!! Then if we draft him many fans will be doing the "Dirty Sanchez" nationwide, forget the wave. The new trend is doing the "Dirty Sanchez".
Paintrain 04-24-2009, 02:02 PM I like getting extra picks and all, but I haven't seen much reason to trust our talent evaluation later on, though the 13th pick really isn't a strong position, whoever we could get there we could probably get at 18 or 19, or someone just as good, the first round talent just isn't that deep it seems and really drops off around our pick, save maybe the USC LBs but who knows. We've only pulled a couple guys in the 2nd and mid rounds worth much of a mention.
To the contrary, we actually have a nice track record in the 1st 3 rounds, it's the mid rounds we traditionally miss on.
The Goat 04-24-2009, 02:05 PM I like getting extra picks and all, but I haven't seen much reason to trust our talent evaluation later on, though the 13th pick really isn't a strong position, whoever we could get there we could probably get at 18 or 19, or someone just as good, the first round talent just isn't that deep it seems and really drops off around our pick, save maybe the USC LBs but who knows. We've only pulled a couple guys in the 2nd and mid rounds worth much of a mention.
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