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53Fan 04-25-2009, 01:20 AM Dude, I'll bet we trade down. I really don't see a trade up. So it should be 11 o'clock your time before we pick if we stand pat and it may be mid-afternoon for you before we actually make a pick. I'd go ahead and chill that beer now. :)
I agree Lotus. It's either stand pat or trade down. In fact I'm probably going to Nagshead again tomorrow and enjoy the beach. That is if I don't stay up too late. Should be home around 6 when the Redskins are making up there mind whether to trade down or make the pick. :)
Lotus 04-25-2009, 01:23 AM I agree Lotus. It's either stand pat or trade down. In fact I'm probably going to Nagshead again tomorrow and enjoy the beach. That is if I don't stay up too late. Should be home around 6 when the Redskins are making up there mind whether to trade down or make the pick. :)
That sounds like an excellent plan and I'll bet you don't miss a thing Redskin-wise. Enjoy!
The Goat 04-25-2009, 01:24 AM I agree Lotus. It's either stand pat or trade down. In fact I'm probably going to Nagshead again tomorrow and enjoy the beach. That is if I don't stay up too late. Should be home around 6 when the Redskins are making up there mind whether to trade down or make the pick. :)
That sounds fun...can't say I'm gonna be able to stay away from the tv. I like to predict who we take after each pick and see how it changes.
SBXVII 04-25-2009, 01:24 AM On a funny side note another reason to move up and draft him would be from Wiki.....
In April 2006, Sanchez was arrested after a female USC student accused him of sexual assault.[12][13] He was released from jail the following day, after posting $200,000 bail, but USC placed him on interim suspension that suspended him from the football team yet permitted him to take his semester finals, albeit separate from the general student body and under the supervision of campus security.[14] On June 3, 2006, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office announced no charges would be filed against Sanchez due to a "lack of sufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt", noting the case was "essentially a 'one-on-one' allegation."[15][16] The District Attorney's office released the charge evaluation worksheet that said the alleged victim in the case said she consented to kissing and petting on Sanchez's bed, and that she repeatedly refused Sanchez's advances to have intercourse with her but continued the other activities with him when he complied; the woman later spent time with other students without mentioning an incident and later told her mother who reportedly called police later in the morning.[12][13] The woman involved left the university.[17] Sanchez was required to take a rape awareness class at USC.[18] USC reinstated Sanchez but he remained subject to team-related discipline for underage drinking and using fake identification on the night he was arrested.[15] Sanchez had been previously detained but not arrested by USC's Department of Public Safety for allegedly breaking a window at a fraternity party. Prosecuters were not allowed to use Sanchez's record of high school activities of a similar nature in pursuing cases against him.[14]
I know you guys are gunna blast me saying it's not funny, but to have two, not one, but two QB's on the team with similar issues in college. funny.
Colt Brennan from Wiki.....
On January 28, 2004, Brennan entered the dorm room of a female UC student, uninvited, and, according to the victim, "exposed himself and fondled her',"[5] a charge which Brennan denied.[6] Brennan, who was intoxicated at the time of the incident, was arrested and eventually convicted of charges of felony burglary and trespassing[7] (serving one week in jail along with probation until he graduated from college), but a guilty verdict for unlawful sexual contact was vacated by the court for lack of evidence.[1] After the incident, which was caught up in the middle of the time when UC was flooded with other accusations of sex crimes and revelations of wild recruiting parties involving Colorado football players, he was kicked off the team
The Goat 04-25-2009, 01:28 AM No, I don't think that shit is funny. Saw athletes get away w/ all kinds of terrible stuff in college when the athletic director/staff got involved...
Lotus 04-25-2009, 01:29 AM That sounds fun...can't say I'm gonna be able to stay away from the tv. I like to predict who we take after each pick and see how it changes.
Me too. For me the first day of the draft is the greatest day of football between February and September. I don't want to miss anything. After this weekend it is a football desert until fall.
The Goat 04-25-2009, 01:34 AM Me too. For me the first day of the draft is the greatest day of football between February and September. I don't want to miss anything. After this weekend it is a football desert until fall.
Truer words...after the draft I always get into spring/summer mode, waiting on football to usher in the next season.
djnemo65 04-25-2009, 01:52 AM Amen. I said this in another thread, but on some level I'm really trying to convince myself that drafting Sanchez might not be such a bad idea after all.
And you make a good point about Jason's demeanor. I think we all have to ask ourselves this question: What are the actual chances that Jason is destined to be an absolute superstar headed for Super Bowl MVP awards and a spot in the Hall of Fame? Doesn't someone like that have to show us more than what we've seen? Even when things around him aren't perfect, like the best O-line in the league and Pro Bowl wideouts? The truly great quarterbacks have something that makes everyone around them better.
Could it be that maybe, just maybe, Jason Campbell isn't that quarterback, and that he may never be?
While we are applying that absurd standard to our quarterbacks, running them out of town for not being generationally elite when, really, maybe three guys per generation actually are, teams are winning superbowls with guys like Brad Johnson, or Eli Manning, or Dilfer, or Brady and Roethlesberger in their first go rounds, or getting there with reclamation projects like Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon.
Does anyone here think Jason is going to the hall of fame? That he'll ever even be top 10 yet alone elite? That his well-discussed flaws can be coached away or overcome through perserverence? I don't, but if there's any team that should have the historical perspective to recognize that you don't necessarily need elite quarterback talent to be successful, it's us right?
In my opinion, Sanchez, like Cutler, would be an upgrade over Campbell. But that's an irrelevant standard as well. The question is not is there some theoretical quarterback better than the one we have? Instead, we have to ask is someone like Sanchez better than Campbell and the 2 or 3 other critical players you forego the right to acquire.
I just think when you invest as much as we already have in Campbell, both in terms of time and draft picks, you have to see things to their conclusion.
The Goat 04-25-2009, 01:56 AM While we are applying that absurd standard to our quarterbacks, running them out of town for not being generationally elite when, really, maybe three guys per generation actually are, teams are winning superbowls with guys like Brad Johnson, or Eli Manning, or Dilfer, or Brady and Roethlesberger in their first go rounds, or getting there with reclamation projects like Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon.
Does anyone here think Jason is going to the hall of fame? That he'll ever even be top 10 yet alone elite? That his well-discussed flaws can be coached away or overcome through perserverence? I don't, but if there's any team that should have the historical perspective to recognize that you don't necessarily need elite quarterback talent to be successful, it's us right?
In my opinion, Sanchez, like Cutler, would be an upgrade over Campbell. But that's an irrelevant standard as well. The question is not is there some theoretical quarterback better than the one we have? Instead, we have to ask is someone like Sanchez better than Campbell and the 2 or 3 other critical players you forego the right to acquire.
I just think when you invest as much as we already have in Campbell, both in terms of time and draft picks, you have to see things to their conclusion.
Nice post...I said some similar things about the true scarcity of elite QBs some time ago but the discussion just got minced up into semantics and whatnot.
...I still hope JC is our QB for the future and Danny is forced to eat humble pie. And just the same I'm very curious to see all the reaction when Jason has a better season than both Cutler (on his new team w/o all the talent around him and in his new division that has some serious defenses) and Sanchez, wherever he might land.
SBXVII 04-25-2009, 02:00 AM No, I don't think that shit is funny. Saw athletes get away w/ all kinds of terrible stuff in college when the athletic director/staff got involved...
I didn't go to college so I can't say I have seen anything. but at the high school level it's sad to see kids get into trouble and get either suspended or kicked out while the let one of the kids that play on a team get into trouble and it's brushed under the carpet. So I guess I agree.
but I have also seen the bad side of these types of crimes where the girl was totally a willing participant in the activities then later had second thoughts and called the police. Or her parents found out some how, usually when they find out they are pregnant, then the girl being scared tells her parents she was not a willing participant and did not want it to happen.
In Colts situation where he supposedly broke into the females room, if true, I hope he was drunk and had no idea what he was doing. Only the police know what the real story may have been. Did she wake up to him fondling her and scream and call the police or is it more like she helped him sneak into her dorm window, later the school found out and she was afraid she would get kicked out so the elaberate story?
In Sanchez's situation it could be date rap but why go to the dorm room? To eliminate any chance you might go to far with something or something might happen that you don't want to happen simply say no I can't go to your dorm room I'll see you tomorrow. but instead they both were alone in a dorm room. Then second thoughts hit the next day and she talks to her mother about what happened and as a parent I know I would be pissed and call the police.
I don't want to sound like I'm blaming the ladies. The true a-hole that rapes a lady needs to be locked up. I just have issues with the situations where the guys thinks all is well and the girl wants to do it also then finds himself being the suspect in an investigation.
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