Second look at Ramsey

The play-by-play was interesting to read, but you could see a definite bias throughout it. One example: on one late throw, he said Ramsey double-clutched "due to pressure". Well I did not see it that way, and neither did Aikman who commented about his indecisiveness and the double-clutch. There are more like this, but no use dragging out details.

Bottom line is, we ALL hope Ramsey miraculously turns it around and becomes a stud - our QB of the future. The only difference is that some of use feel it has reached the point where it is an extremely remote possibility, and others of you feel he is just about there now.

As far as losing the game, the offense did it for sure. Ramsey played a big part, Gardner played a BIGGER part, and Portis/Brunell helped some. Now we gotta get ready to kick some cowboy ASS!!!!!!

Culppepper has been though his growing pains but has been given time, McNabbs sucess is not based on his QB skills but the sucess of the team in general in my oppinion. He hasn't had alot of offensive tools but Feely took the keys to the Eagles and they hardly missed a beat a few years ago.

Look at the situation he was put into he starts his glittering NFL career as possible trade bait with the Bears then being mentored by Shane mathews and Dany W and inducted into the NFL under the toutelage of Steve Spurrier who changed QBs like his socks. The point of this... yes he should be further on his career but then his career could have been better thus far...

McNabbs sucess is not based on his QB skills but the sucess of the team in general in my oppinion.

That sounds like the Rush Limbaugh opinion (NOT referring to the racial aspect of it). The fact is, that the TEAM got better when McNABB arrived, not the reverse. His excellent presence in the pocket and running skills turned a less than average offense around.

If we want to get technical, the score when Ramsey was in the game was Redskins 7 , Giants 0.
Ramsey entered the game on the 1st drive of the 2nd half. The halftime score was 20-7 Giants.

No I'm saying, If it were to be 0-0 when Ramsey entered the game... It was Redskins 7 Giants 0

i used to think mcnabb was just another mediocre QB, but i've changed my opinion on that a bit ;)

TO helps... he outplayed culpepper last night easily... but the eagles D is quite a bit better than the vikings D too...

McNabb wouldn't be at the top of my list, but he's definately be in the top 8 or so...

No doubting the team got better when McNabb got there but he is a peice not the key, the team does not live through his physical talents. I cannot rember who he took over from but I seem to remember Pete ws thier starter for a while. McNabb is good don't get me wrong but he has a team, coaching staff and fan base that belive in him and he went some though some very rocky periods and you only have to look at his career compleation rate to wonder where he lies in notable mentions at the Qb position, but theEagles stook with him even after the booing he got from Rasicit bigoted fans they have up there in the City of brotherly love.

People argue the NFL is win now but without patience and giving players time to grow you never will win not now not tomorrow... rome was not built in a day

bedlamVR:

Two simple questions for you.

1. You are the Redskins GM. The Eagles call you and offer to trade Donovan McNabb for Patrick Ramsey even up. Do you tell them to pound sand up their butt or do you go to Joe Gibbs to see what he thinks about that?

2. Same scenario. The Vikes call and want to do the deal for Duante Culpepper even up. What do you do?

Here's a tougher one:

The Jaguars call and offer Leftwich for Ramsey even-up. Joe Gibbs asks your opinion; what do you tell him?

No doubting the team got better when McNabb got there but he is a peice not the key, the team does not live through his physical talents. I cannot rember who he took over from but I seem to remember Pete ws thier starter for a while.

You are way off on this one. As I said, the team got better when he arrived, and it appeared it was because of him. They were 3-13 in 1998 without him. He played less than half the time (mostly subbing) in 1999, and they were 5-11.

He started full time in 2000. They were 11-5 and made the playoffs - amazing turnaround. Then the next 3 years they went to the NFC championship. And all through that time, as Madden says, they have not had a #1 quality receiver. Their defense was great, and their offense went from horrible to good with McNabb as the catalyst. It should get VERY good now that they have a real #1 receiver.

Hmmm. Some guys are willing to give Ramsey a chance, but no one is letting Gardner off the hook. Overall, it wasn't too bad a game. The score supported that.