Second look at Ramsey

Nice points JW

How about Brad Johnson and Trent Green? Those guys spent years riding the pine

it's kinda funny how we try to rationalize some things when everything gets chaotic. plain and simple we all know ramsey can do some things other qbs on our staff can't do but then he also does some things no qbs should ever do.

Thanks for breaking that down for us (or at least copying it for us). That was actually quite interesting.

Dude, Ramsey lost this game. He threw the first INT on the 7 yard. The pass was late, too short and no zip at all. The second INT I blame him for also. Coles wasn't within 10 ft. of the ball and Peterson had locked him up before Ramsey threw the ball. Ramsey was focused on just completing the ball to Coles and not throwing the ball away. The 3rd INT was the most dumb INT I've seen from Ramsey. He claimed there was pressure on him as he threw it. But if you review it, he rolled out to his right and tried to under throw the ball and have Gardner come back for it with double coverage? One great play, one stupid play. He should be moving along far better than this dude. What was training camp for?

First of all, you can't blame Ramsey for losing the game.. Was he in when Portis fumbled and it was taken in for a TD? Was he in when Brunell threw his INT? Was he at fault for Portis's other fumble? He made 2 bad throws and Coles ran the wrong route on the other one. To blame him for losing the game is silly.. I agree, he should be farther along than he is, let's see how he does while Brunell is out and coming in with a game plan for him and 0-0 on the scoreboard rather than coming in down 20-7 in the 2nd half.

I agree, he should be farther along than he is, let's see how he does while Brunell is out and coming in with a game plan for him and 0-0 on the scoreboard rather than coming in down 20-7 in the 2nd half.

If we want to get technical, the score when Ramsey was in the game was Redskins 7 , Giants 0.

Good point. Tim Couch is no longer in the NFL. Cade McNown is longer in the NFL. Sometimes the pressure to produce immediately causes young QB's to digress or remain stagnant. Joey Harrington is leading the Lions. Carr is leading the Texans and Brady is commandeering his Patriots to a 18-0 winning streak and Ramsey is a work in progress. Is this what we want to settle for with all of the money we have spent?

hmm.. trent green... matt hasselbeck... they are lots of others, and all those guys you listed spent more than 1 offseason in their system before doing anything i believe.

Dude, Ramsey lost this game. He threw the first INT on the 7 yard. The pass was late, too short and no zip at all. The second INT I blame him for also. Coles wasn't within 10 ft. of the ball

umm... the score was 20-7 when he came in and 20-14 at the end... he didn't lose it, he just didn't win it... and ramsey threw to where coles should have been... thats how routes in the nfl work. You said he was held up before ramsey threw it, but unless you were there, i see no way from the tv angles you could have seen what coles was or wasn't doing when ramsey let go...

Saying Ramsey lost the game is BS w/o Ramsey throwing the Skins wouldn't have been in it! Wack ass Brunell's arm got exposed in week 1. HE'S TOO OLD. Ramsey will grow out of pressing so much...there's no cure for the game passing you by. Brunell can't hack it, he plays scared. I can't remember if it was a play where Brunell fumbled (I think so) but he rolled out after a blitzer was PICKED UP by Clinton Portis, Brunell rolled right into a sack and I believe a turnover. Last week Brunell had at least 3 possessions end because he checked down and didn't go for the first down on third and long. Maybe taking a shot is better than throwing a 7 yard curl to Coles with 2 defenders on top of him as soon as he catches on a 3rd and 12 play.

In addition to his arm, he makes bad decisions. He made another hand off this week that he shouldn't have made. This one didn't result in a fumble, but when he's falling down and trying to hand the ball to Portis, he's essentially stripping him as soon as the ball gets there. Brunell is a mistake. They should let Ramsey learn.

Ramsey did make some horrible decisions against the Giants. However, had he not driven them for one score the Skins wouldn't have been in this game. Brunell wouldn't have done it. It's not in him anymore. I don't care how many picks he threw, if Ramsey plays he'll learn not to do it. They should go with Ramsey and leave him alone.

Everyone on this board calls Ramsey a "work in progress." That's fine. I'd like to point out that if the Redskins had any patience whatsoever he would be a great QB right now. Harrington and Carr are both playing well, they got to start from day 1. Ramsey has seen spot starting and a starting job that got him planted everytime they called a pass play. As far as his inability to call audibles in that system; take a look at the tape again Matty, everytime Brunell audibled the play materialized into nothing. Ramsey will be a good QB, he has better physical skills than any of the other 2 QB's he was drafted with, they just need to start him and not make him look over his shoulder. He's the better QB.

Dude, Ramsey lost this game. He threw the first INT on the 7 yard. The pass was late, too short and no zip at all. The second INT I blame him for also. Coles wasn't within 10 ft. of the ball and Peterson had locked him up before Ramsey threw the ball. Ramsey was focused on just completing the ball to Coles and not throwing the ball away. The 3rd INT was the most dumb INT I've seen from Ramsey. He claimed there was pressure on him as he threw it. But if you review it, he rolled out to his right and tried to under throw the ball and have Gardner come back for it with double coverage? One great play, one stupid play. He should be moving along far better than this dude. What was training camp for?

The second interception was defensive holding....its called a timing route the CB saw it coming and had no other choice. Not even close to Ramseys fault...had coles gotten free and was able to finish his route you would be touting it as a well timed completion....

Patrick Ramsey did NOT lose the game on Sunday. Let's not get carried away here. That loss was a total team effort.

Patrick Ramsey did NOT look good in the game on Sunday. If you want to say that he had great footwork in the pocket and a timed release of the ball and is ready for his nomination to Canton Ohio, you are free to do so. You are also getting carried away in the other direction.

Gardner's drops were horrendous and did not help the Skins and made Ramsey's efforts less than wonderful. By the same token, Gardner's catch on Ramsey's "50 yard heave" was a circus catch. The ball was overthrown and Cardner put the Skins in a position to score with his extraordinary effort. It was not nearly enough.

What Ramsey lacks is consistency - same for Gardner. Is that lack of experience or lack of concentration or what? I don't read minds; I don't know. Here is what I do know. In September 2004, Patrick Ramsey is not capable of being the starting QB for an NFL football team that expects to go deep into the playoffs. Maybe a lightbulb will go off in his head and he'll "get it" all of a sudden and lead this team somewhere positive this year. But until I see on field evidence of that "got it" position, I'm not going to feel very confident if he as to start the next few games.

Kyle Boller is a second year QB with limited experience. He has played about as well as Ramsey has. Is anyone here ready to anoint Boller as a great QB yet? I didn't think so.

Marc Bulger has about the same experience base as Ramsey. Which one is better right now? Neither is star quality, but if you think Ramsey is better, you are deluding yourself.

Rex Grossman has significantly LESS experience than Ramsey. Who is the better starting QB FOR NEXT SUNDAY ?

How about AJ Feeley? I think I prefer Ramsey, but not by much?

Do not even put Ramsey in the same paragraph with Harrington or Carr as of September 2004. It makes no sense to do that.

And if you want to revel in the fact that Couch and McNown are out of the NFL (as is Akili Smith from that same draft), please do not forget to recall that Donovan McNabb and Duante Culpepper are still around and seem to have "gotten it" a whole lot sooner than Ramsey and those other guys. Or is someone here about to say that he'd rather have Ramsey over McNabb and/or Culpepper?