FOX - Botched trade will put pressure on Redskins

thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.

How many truly great QBs are there in the league right now? No more than 3-5 that I can name.

Fact is the majority of the QBs in the league need a good supporting cast, and there's nothing wrong with that. JC might never be a Brady, Manning or Brees type, but you don't necessarily need that kind of QB to be a winner. Even the greats have a good cast around them. Just ask Marino where being a great QB on consistently mediocre teams gets you.

oh so we cant discuss things on this site?

We can discuss a bunch of things but you seem to want to discuss thing (singular). Is your entire base of Redskins knowledge and focus Jason Campbell? You act like you walked in on him doing a two minute drill on your mom. Seriously, what else do you have? Portis? Hall? HB Blades? Samuels? Suisham? Draft? Any other opinions other than 'JC sucks'?

We can discuss a bunch of things but you seem to want to discuss thing (singular). Is your entire base of Redskins knowledge and focus Jason Campbell? You act like you walked in on him doing a two minute drill on your mom. Seriously, what else do you have? Portis? Hall? HB Blades? Samuels? Suisham? Draft? Any other opinions other than 'JC sucks'?

He's "new" I guess so we can cut him a break, but generally I agree, one trick ponies wear out their welcome pretty quick around here.

How many truly great QBs are there in the league right now? No more than 3-5 that I can name.

Fact is the majority of the QBs in the league need a good supporting cast, and there's nothing wrong with that. JC might never be a Brady, Manning or Brees type, but you don't necessarily need that kind of QB to be a winner. Even the greats have a good cast around them. Just ask Marino where being a great QB on consistently mediocre teams gets you.

So a QB gets drafted this decade in the 2nd round, in his first 28 starts he compiles stats of 29 TD, 31 INT, averaging right around 200 yards per game, 6.7 yards per completion, 79.7 QB rating while posting a sub .500 record. He's roundly criticized by his team's fan base for his lack of production, lack of consistency, accuracy and leadership abilities. Their was excitement was boundless when his replacement was sought, even though it was publicly botched. Any guesses who that QB is?









Drew Brees: Career Stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/drewbrees/careerstats?id=BRE229498)

The patron saint of not giving up on young QB too soon. Everyone in SD just knew that Brees was a bust and would be nothing but a journeyman backup (sound familiar?) but once his position was threatened by the Phillip Rivers trade he turned things around quickly. Possibly JC gets the same motivation by the "botched trade".

thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.

Well even Tom Brady had a very strong defense as a supporting cast the year before they got Moss, when he had no one to throw to except his tight ends; not to mention that he had one of the best offensive lines in the league.

Without checking stats and just off the top of my head, I would say that the top 3 QBs right now are: Brady, P. Manning, and Brees. One thing that I believe all of these QBs have supporting them are solid offensive lines (well the Colts line was a bit shaky at the beginning, esp. when Saturday was out) and very good wideouts (Moss/Welker in NE, Wayen/Gonzalez/Clark in Indy, and Colston/Henderson/Moore in N.O).

so your allowed to make arguements for JC, but I cannot make arguements against JC...
i see how things work

Nice post Paintrain. Instead of forecasting gloom and doom I think I'll do the logical thing and watch and see how Jason does in his second year under Zorn who is known for working well with QB's. Anyone who is sure he's gonna fail is greatly overestimating their grasp of the situation IMO.

so your allowed to make arguements for JC, but I cannot make arguements against JC...
i see how things work

I just think you can't come here and say "JC sucks" and be done with it. Then again this is a Redskins fan site, so I'm sure any argument against a player will be met with a rebuttal from someone.

so your allowed to make arguements for JC, but I cannot make arguements against JC...
i see how things work

So far 99% your posts are about the QB spot. We're just wondering if you've got anything else to talk about. QB talk is something that gets beaten to death around here, so people don't have a lot of patience for it is all.

so your allowed to make arguements for JC, but I cannot make arguements against JC...
i see how things work

You can argue for or against him, I really don't care. Just bring more to the table than one thing.

The good posters here, and there are many on both sides of the JC table, also talk about the other 52 players on the roster.

The fools that we deride and unmercifully haze are the ones who have a singular agenda and are tireless in pushing that agenda in every post.

Like I said, we get it, you don't like him, what else (if anything, which seems increasingly doubtful) do you have?