6 WEEKS AGO: Trade Ramsey, Bench/trade Gardner

Hey maybe we can get Matt Hasselbeck next year. I can't see Seattle being able to keep Matt, Shaun Alexander and Walter Jones (all who are due for new contracts)

I'm only joking about getting Matt........sort of

Seriously though, I don't think we should give up on Ramsey quite yet nor I do think Brunell is done

I really hope Kenyatta Jones is ok though

I hope all you PR haters out there stay of the band wagon when the kid start's to come around. And trust me he will. :dallas:

[QUOTE=Defensewins]This is exactly the kind of commnet that irks me about some of the rabid Ramsey fans. Some of you folks are so blind in defending Ramsey, that you say some outlandish things.
The guy with the most physical talent is not always the best QB/football player. Just because Patrick Ramsey has a stronger arm does not make him a better QB.
Look at New England for example. QUOTE]

I feel you on the Bledsoe/Ramsey comparison, but Bledsoe was a 7th year vet. You knew what you were getting with him. I've seen at least five different incarnations of Ramsey, I don't think anyone could peg down his style of play, unless you say it's "confused". And anytime anyone wants to bring up the Hasselbeck as a starter routine, I bring up last year's Dallas game in which he spotted Terrence Newman running free three times.

Should Hasselbeck get a shot? Unless the top two guys get hurt, I don't see how. You've got one qb who we just signed to a $43 million dollar deal. At second string you've got a 3rd year guy who was a former #1 pick. I think 2 games is an awfully short leash to start pulling for the #3 guy. If Brunell and Ramsey were singlehandedly holding the team back, maybe. But the problem yesterday was the entire offense. Wideouts dropped routine passes, Portis fumbles twice after fumbling 3 times all of last season, blocking assignments were blown (one of which on the last play of the game with only three rushers).

I'm not going to speak for Hogskins (or anyone else who has conerns about Ramsey) here but I think you can be critical of Ramsey and still be loyal, and not a PR-hater.

I'm rooting for Ramsey to do well. Not just because he's a Redskin but because I believe he has the ability to do really well in this league. Still, he has flaws in his game that can't just be overlooked. I think it's all mental really

That being said, Sunday's loss-as others have repeatedly said already-cannot be pinned entirely on Ramsey. Everyone is to blame

ive seen some iditotic statements on here.... but no need to argue. to all those who say Pat is done or washed up or needs to be traded.... what kind of loyal fans are you? How much do you understand football? If any of you all didnt notice, if gardner catches that TD pass and we got the portis TD, 1 int would not have been thrown, and another TD would be on the board making him 2TD and 2 ints. and why make critical remarks towards ramsey when the coaching staff is the one that called the play for coles to be hit on a fade route????? we have mccants, we have gardner, and we choose short and speedy WR over Possession WR in the RED ZONE???? that falls on the playcalling. Red zone passes calls for Cooley, Gardner, and Mccants all day. why was the play called for coles?... i dunno, not ALL ramseys fault on that. Im questioning some of yalls supposive faith as a REDSKINS fan.

ive seen some iditotic statements on here....

I agree - but they are the ones I just now read. How in the world does being critical of one of a Redskin who can not "grow" out of his basic problems with fundamentals make you a non-fan?????????????????????????????? I have been a very strong fan for almost 60 years, and resent that. I was still a fan when I said Heath Shuler had to go. I was a fan when I said (in his SECOND YEAR) that Norv Turner had to go for us to be a winner. I was a fan when I said (in HIS second year) that Westbrook should go. I was a fan when I could not believe they let Stan Humphries go (I remember being AMAZED at an early Humphries play when he rolled out almost to the right sideline, and threw an "impossible", very strong pass to the LEFT sideline for a big play.) I was a fan when I HATED that we had Deion, and he was being beaten over the middle again and again. Do I have to close my eyes to bad play to be a fan??????????????

Just because I have a very good awareness of talent AND guys that are not able to overcome their faults, that does not make me anti-Redskins.

Oh, by the way, I still feel strongly they WILL be in the playoffs this year. But I don't think Ramsey or Gardner will be starting in the playoff gameS. Just my opinion.

Oh, and by the way, I fully agree with Smack. If Ramsey is in the game, I will be rooting and screaming with all the rest of you, hoping like hell he proves me wrong!

While the anger in this post is justified, I don't think singling out Ramsey is fair.

The entire team (except maybe the D) crapped out on this one.

I still (happily) see Ramsey as the future QB of this team.

Look at New England for example. Drew Bledsoe, the first overall pick in the 1993 Draft. He has been to been to a couple superbowls and been elected to a couple of probowls. His arm strength is unquestionable.
Drew is struggling and gets hurt. In comes Tom Brady, a sixth round draft pick (last round) that was not even a starter in college until his senior year. Tom Brady does not have a strong arm like Bledsoe. But he is a smart football player and QB. Brady excels at reading defense's and making good/quick decsions (frequently compared to Montana).
Even after Brady helped New England win their 1st superbowl there was still half the patriots fans that wanted Bledsoe to start again because he is a better athlete and has a stronger arm. I think some of you might falling into this mind set. Bledsoe is now with Buffalo and still holds on to the ball to long. Brady won yet another super bowl.

If Tim Hasslebeck had Tom Brady's Record, there wouldnt be this conversation. But he is 1-5 as a starter. Brady lost I belive 1 start the year he took over for Bledsoe, he went 9-7 the next year and then won another Superbowl. Tim played well, dont get me wrong, but we didnt win.

If Tim Hasslebeck had Tom Brady's Record, there wouldnt be this conversation. But he is 1-5 as a starter. Brady lost I belive 1 start the year he took over for Bledsoe, he went 9-7 the next year and then won another Superbowl. Tim played well, dont get me wrong, but we didnt win.

On the surface that sounds like a good argument, but there is a lot more to winning than the QB. (Just ask Sonny Jurgenson, one of the best pure passers ever). That NE team was a WHOLE lot better, especially on defense, and had a WHOLE lot better coaching staff, top to bottom. All you can take from TH's games from last year are a look at his skills. And you can get very little from that, because he did not go through training camp and had VERY little practice with the team prior to his first start. All I would say about TH is he should get another look at some point, especially after having what seemed like a successful training camp. But we know a lot more than that about PR. It just seems that some of us have different opinions of what we have seen the past 25 months.

But we know a lot more than that about PR. It just seems that some of us have different opinions of what we have seen the past 25 months.

I agree. It looks like next Monday we can all sit back and hopefully see what he can do. Cause the early reports are that they are expect Ramsey to start next week.