6 WEEKS AGO: Trade Ramsey, Bench/trade Gardner

Matty what makes Ramsey so talented? Give Tim a chance Rypien was a marginal NFL player too. If TH makes plays give him a chance Ramsey has had plenty of chances we dont have Ramsey is our QB of the future etched in stone. This is the NFL and I think TH if given time with coach Gibbs could be an NFL QB. Ramsey does not have unlimited chances thats how the NFL works you get your chance and if you throw 3INTS in the 4th quarter in the redzone you dont get many more. We dont have time to baby PR.

I think you guys are taking PR's ability for granted. No, he hasn't torched the world, but he has only started ~15 games. I can guarantee that teams like SD, Dallas, Miami, SF, and others would kill to have PR on their team. He has the ability and the desire to be a better QB in this league. Give him time and a chance.

LOL this board is utterly ridiculous today

Let me see if I have this straight, Ramsey is garbage. Even though he's a 3rd year QB who's a bright guy with a strong arm, he clearly can't win in this league (why Gibbs doesn't know this is beyond me).

Let's forget the fact he was rushed in to starting as a rookie and played in a flawed system with not much of a running game or protection.

I can't believe he hasn't picked up Gibbs' system already, a system that Joe Theismann admits took him an entire season before he felt comfortable. Let's also overlook the fact that Mark Brunell, an 11 year vet, is also struggling in picking up the system. Ramsey is clearly not going to ever amount to anything. He's had his chance, we should move on, right? I mean c'mon, he's had 16 starts, that's enough, time to hand it over to third string Tim Hasselbeck who at this time last year was sitting at home like us. We should just bench Brunell now, trade Ramsey and start TH. I really don't know what Gibbs is thinking.

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-Hasselbeck is not the answer and he will not see any playing time this season unless we have another body bag game. I'll never understand the fascination with TH who is a marginal NFL player at best.

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The same thing can be said about Ramsey, what is the fascination with Ramsey?
I am not sure I understand the obsession with Ramsey. Ramsey has had 4 or 5 really good games. That is it. Not an entire year or even half a year.
Ramsey is not a sure thing, he has flashed some great potential in between some really awful playing. In fact his playing ability has regressed since his great play from the first four games of last year.
Don't confuse potential with confirmed ability. As of today (not the past) Ramsey and TH are on the same level... they are both developing players whose weakness' overshadow their strengths.
I seem to remember Gibbs praising TH during the preseason. I would not rule out TH this year.

The Giants have a new head coach, 2 new QBs, a new defensive line ( except Strahan),a new offensive line, 2 new CB's and they still beat us. I think that's a new system with new problems. But we didn't lose because of new players or a new system. We lost because of 3 INTS in the 2 half of this game. The Giants offense scored only 10 points. We had 20 first downs. That's a good system wouldn't you say? Afterall, Brunelll did move us down the field on the most successful drive this year. Believe me the offense understands what Gibbs system. I said it once, I'll say it again, there is no consistent execution by our starters. A drop, a catch, a completion , an interception is not going to get it done in anybody's system.

What happeneded in that 3rd and 4th quarter will go down in my mind as the most embarrassing performance for a 3 year future "franchise player" I've seen. It was horrendous, even sickening. No more excuses for Ramsey about his lack of NFL experience. He should have gone to NFL Europe over the summer. He's had enough time to know to throw an incompletion rather than a interception.

And what exactly has Hasselbeck done to prove he should be ahead of Ramsey on the depth chart??

LOL this board is utterly ridiculous today

Let me see if I have this straight, Ramsey is garbage. Even though he's a 3rd year QB who's a bright guy with a strong arm, he clearly can't win in this league (why Gibbs doesn't know this is beyond me).

Let's forget the fact he was rushed in to starting as a rookie and played in a flawed system with not much of a running game or protection.

I can't believe he hasn't picked up Gibbs' system already, a system that Joe Theismann admits took him an entire season before he felt comfortable. Let's also overlook the fact that Mark Brunell, an 11 year vet, is also struggling in picking up the system. Ramsey is clearly not going to ever amount to anything. He's had his chance, we should move on, right? I mean c'mon, he's had 16 starts, that's enough, time to hand it over to third string Tim Hasselbeck who at this time last year was sitting at home like us. We should just bench Brunell now, trade Ramsey and start TH. I really don't know what Gibbs is thinking.

Even Gibbs admitted that mistakes were made with coaching. After Ramsey's 2 INT, Hasselbeck should have been given the chance to win that game. The reason Matty you find it so difficult to let go of Ramsey is because he shows flashes of potential. But like someone mentioned, so did Jeff George. Gibbs will be first to bench Ramsey and trade him. Doug Williams won the Superbowl and was cut the next year. What do you think will happen to Ramsey if he loses like this season?

And what exactly has Hasselbeck done to prove he should be ahead of Ramsey on the depth chart??

Nothing , but I never claimed that he deserved anything but a chance. I never said TH was the next Bret Farv or the next great QB. I think Ramsey has received the benefit of the doubt. Even despite his terrible game yesterday, there are many that think he is the next great QB. I don't get it. I am not giving up on Ramsey like some folks. But it is time to put Ramsey in a new light: a developing QB who is still not very good.

Matty,

First, I never said Ramsey was garbage. What I have said since the offseason is:

- He has some serious problems that he needs to correct. He is VERY slow in his thought processes AND has a very slow release. So when he finally decides where to throw it, it takes too long to release. His footwork is very bad - needs work.

- We should trade him for a top OL or DL and work with Hasselbeck, who has many fewer problems. If we don't we risk him losing all of his trade value.

NOW, we went minicamps AND preseason, and he showed ABSOLUTELY no progress on ANY of his faults. He still has a terrific arm and LOTS of problems, including poor decision-making. But now, everyone else knows what we know, so his value is extremely low.

AND QB of the FUTURE??? That would have been true a while back, but since he has shown no ability (or maybe willingness?) to improve on his glaring weaknesses, I can not imagine anyone still seeing him in that role. THe guys that make it in this league are the guys that LEARN and IMPROVE. He is still at the exact level he was at when he was drafted. Let someone else take on this unlikely project.

LASTLY, the problems I am talking about have nothing to do with learning Gibbs' system. These are basic flaws in his technique that no system can hide.

I have no problem saying Ramsey stunk yesterday, that's not the issue. I just don't see Hasselbeck as the answer, at all.

The answer is we need to give this offense time to come together. You can't cut and bench everyone after a loss, or the continuity we need to build is never going to come around.