CRedskinsRule
04-08-2009, 09:38 AM
No way in hell that happens. Its way to risky if you want a specific player. Not to mention your gonna piss of your fan base, player, agents etc. and have a difficult contract negotiation to deal with whenever you do pick. Plus why not just trade back and pick up a pick or 2 in the process?
But, Detroit is not looking for a specific player and would be just as content with one of about 3-4 players, QB OL, or LB. You say why not just trade back, because NO ONE will trade for a top 3 pick.
Personally I think it would be hilarious if the draft went 30 minutes (top 3 teams) and no pick had been made because no one wanted to pay that 1st pick type of money.
I hope the new CBA (whenever it is reached) has a 2yr Rookie Contract clause. Is it possible to structure the pay based on average years per position? for example a RB may only average about 8-10 years, but a safety may average 13-15. So a rookie RB contract might be paid slightly higher, than at the end of 2 years, the drafting team is given a strong ability to re-sign the player at market conditions. It seems like this would enable teams to build home grown talent, plus make draft day trades more do-able.
I will be..........waiting......watching
Dr Do Itch Big
04-08-2009, 10:01 AM
Uh Oh........Trirckle effect all ready? This is hilarious! Its like a game of hot potato for who picks "first". This is great!!!!
The National Football Post | Rams Willing To Trade #2 Pick (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/rams-willing-to-trade-2-pick/)
SkinsFanSince91
04-08-2009, 10:42 AM
I dont have the Lions taking Stafford anyways, so if they pass on the 1st pick, m ymock draft may look a little more realistic.
Dblock804
04-08-2009, 11:14 AM
Just makes me sick to think you spend all that money and it might not work out. IMO I would take the OL over the QB. Reguardless The Lions will still find away to mess things up.
gully
04-08-2009, 02:45 PM
The team with the first pick has the advantage of negotiating with whoever they want. They could go to Alex Mack, for example, and negotiate a deal that recognizes that Mack isn't the best player in the draft, just the one that they are picking first. They could pay Mack like he was picked 15th - as long as he agrees.
Owners don't actually have to pay a player they pick in the draft if they can't get a reasonable deal, but historically agents have bent the owners over a barrel and maybe they are just used to it.
The real issue with trading out of the tops picks is an outdated tradevaluechart which is very broken. If the team that has a top pick like #2 and wants to drop down to #8, theyshould be willing to make that trade for minimal compensation in return, like a 3rd and a 4th. But the stupid tradevalue chart says that the difference is 1200 pts. My point is that the point value of these top picks should be drastically diminished, the scale is way out of whack.
Maybe the team with the high pick that doesn't want it can do something imaginative with it, like trade it to another team for their 6th round pick for the next 100 years (which according to the chart, is a steal for the team giving up the 6th round pick).
Zerohero
04-08-2009, 03:25 PM
It's the only logical thing to do. For a rookie to come into the league and be paid like a pro bowl player without ever playing a game at this level is ridiculous.
Basketball Rookie Cap is the perfect way to do it imo, it is beyond ridiculus for teams to actually ponder not wanting to draft in 1st round. In fact i think this is why the bad football teams stay bad, cuz they get stuck with these insane contracts to guys that are not proven.
sportscurmudgeon
04-08-2009, 03:27 PM
For reasons that have never made a lot of sense to me, the NFLPA has vehemently opposed a rookie pay scale. Here is why I do not understand their position.
Every team in the NFL has a salary cap AND a salary floor. Every team has to spend more than X million dollars and less than Y million dollars on player salaries every year. If rookie wagers are "reined in", the salary money "saved there" has to go to other players who are not rookies. And "not rookies" are the players who are the current menbers of the NFLPA.
So, the NFLPA position seems to favor showering money on college kids who are not Association members at the time of the draft at the expense of putting that money in the pockets of current members of the Association.
I don't get it. But the reason there is no rookie wage scale is that the NFLPA - - and Gene Upshaw very specifically - - fought it tooth and nail.
Daseal
04-08-2009, 03:28 PM
Yeah, the 1st overall pick is a curse rather than a gift that helps you build your franchise up. All it does is give you the first shot in a complete crap shoot and strains your cap.
53Fan
04-08-2009, 04:51 PM
Basketball Rookie Cap is the perfect way to do it imo, it is beyond ridiculus for teams to actually ponder not wanting to draft in 1st round. In fact i think this is why the bad football teams stay bad, cuz they get stuck with these insane contracts to guys that are not proven.
I agree. It seems to work fine for them. From what I've read, the vets are a little upset about this as well and I don't blame them. Not having a rookie cap benefits no one except the rookie and his agent and puts a strain on the cap.