Paintrain
04-06-2009, 07:48 PM
I missed this last week and just saw it today but this is an interesting excerpt from an ESPN Insider article about greatest drafts per team (1981 for us).
I won't publish the link or the whole story because it's a pay service but basically we've had a long history of drafting poorly. How long? Try 40+ years of being one of the worst organizations in drafting Pro Bowl or All Pro players. Here it is:
The Washington Redskins have appeared in five Super Bowls and won three. But according to ESPN Stats and Information's rankings, they are not a solid drafting team. The Redskins' draft picks have only 69 Pro Bowl selections and just 14 first-team All-Pro selections. Among teams that have drafted every year since 1967, the Redskins are the worst in those two categories.
The Goat
04-06-2009, 08:41 PM
Hmmm...I guess Vinny could be an improvement over historical performance then.
GMScud
04-06-2009, 10:59 PM
Well, I guess we really shouldn't be up in arms about the FO then, huh? It's pretty much status quo. :)
Lotus
04-07-2009, 12:58 AM
Worst since '67...how awful for us.
The Skins historically have had the fewest picks during this period, I believe, because we trade them away constantly. The trend towards trading picks away began with George Allen, continues with Snyderrato, and was up-and-down in between.
Given that the draft is a crap shoot, the team with the fewest picks is also bound to strike gold the least.
AnimateYYZ
04-07-2009, 01:12 AM
Worst since '67...how awful for us.
The Skins historically have had the fewest picks during this period, I believe, because we trade them away constantly. The trend towards trading picks away began with George Allen, continues with Snyderrato, and was up-and-down in between.
Given that the draft is a crap shoot, the team with the fewest picks is also bound to strike gold the least.
It is an awful statistic, but screw the pro bowl. You can't argue that this philosophy is a failure. There are several championships in Washington (granted none as of recent), but it's a lot more than other teams can say- as evidenced by your own avatar.
Stuck in TX
04-07-2009, 02:23 AM
at least we have nowhere to go from here but up... unless we have not met our bottom yet. wow, the economy really has me down and it is affecting my football. I need some games! come on preseason!
freddyg12
04-07-2009, 09:12 AM
It is an awful statistic, but screw the pro bowl. You can't argue that this philosophy is a failure. There are several championships in Washington (granted none as of recent), but it's a lot more than other teams can say- as evidenced by your own avatar.
Yeah, it's not a statement about how we drafted, just a statement about how we've had few pro bowlers from the draft. Joe Gibbs could reel off a no. of players that the Skins drafted that played for them their entire careers & won a lot of games, including super bowls.
Not to knock the thread though, it sounds like it could be an interesting analysis as long as they look at all variables. Tenure w/the team would be the most important to me.
Stuck in TX
04-07-2009, 11:41 AM
Tenure w/the team would be the most important to me.
I agree 100%. Another sickening stat is how many players get invited to the Pro Bowl who do not belong there. Does anyone remember who replaced Sean Taylor in the Pro Bowl after he was murdered? It was a guy who has not had a decent season since the horsecollar was made illegal. *cough*Roy Williams*cough*.... We had several players last year who the Skins drafted who could have been considered and the same could be said for the past few seasons. Tenure with the team is worth more ten-fold than who can win a pointless popularity contest.
warriorzpath
04-07-2009, 12:03 PM
Pro Bowls vs. SuperBowls = Hyped Individual Accomplishments vs. Real Team Accomplishments
There's something to be said to be respected enough by your peers and fans to get into the Pro Bowl, but it's another to measure the success of your team by it.
warriorzpath
04-07-2009, 12:07 PM
It's almost like measuring a player's worth by what round he was drafted in. In this case, Tom Brady would not be worth much.