For those that want Ramsey traded or Hasselbeck to start:

LadyT, Ramsey has only played 16 games in two years so in essence he is still a rookie.

In essence he is not a rookie. Rookie means first year. Not first bad year you get another chance because you're learning a new system. Ramsey has not matured. There is a criteria that all coaches have for their players and if you check off all of the negatives versus the postives , it doesn't look very good for Ramsey at all!

In essence he is not a rookie. Rookie means first year. Not first bad year you get another chance because you're learning a new system. Ramsey has not matured. There is a criteria that all coaches have for their players and if you check off all of the negatives versus the postives , it doesn't look very good for Ramsey at all!

You really think the coaches are judging Ramsey by his performances last year with a team that couldn't protect him? After being coached by a college level coaching staff?

My goodness. One loss and we're tearing down the franchise? That's what got us into this mess! Stick with your folks, let Gibbs and Co. coach them FOR A FEW SEASONS and then see what you get. This is the second game. Have a little toughness. Stick with it!

My goodness. One loss and we're tearing down the franchise? That's what got us into this mess! Stick with your folks, let Gibbs and Co. coach them FOR A FEW SEASONS and then see what you get. This is the second game. Have a little toughness. Stick with it!

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Thanks JW.

Meanwhile, let's circle the wagon and play Hasselbeck until Brunell is healthy. Hasselbeck can run an efficient offense with protection. I don't care if Hasselbeck isn't putting up big numbers his first game, just run a turnover free offense
you realize out of all our QBs, hasselbeck HAS THE HIGHEST INT %, it would be worse than either MB or PR, you really need to chill on your hating, its one bad game... TH has only had one decent showing against 3rd stringers, but besdies that, none of our QBs have looked very good, and he's looked the worst.

if hasselbeck goes in, it means our season is done.
TH had 2 ints in preseason (one in 17 throws), MB (one in 46) and PR (one in 58) had 1... last year, TH was the only one of our QBs to throw more ints than TDs last year... he isn't bad, but he is most definately not error proof.

LadyT, Ramsey has only played 16 games in two years so in essence he is still a rookie.
True, he's only played 16 games and one could argue as to whether he's a rookie or not. To me, once you've played one season, you're no longer a rookie.

But that aside, the biggest concern I have is that I've seen no improvement from him, absolutely none. If anything he looks worse than he did 2 years ago, when he was a rookie, by anyone's definition.

He's making the same mistakes and making more of them. He looks totally unsure of himself and that feeling is communicated to the team, consciously or not.

To me, that is the real reason many of us are so concerned about his future as a starting QB. We've not seen any kind of progression from him, just a regression.

I think we should frame SUNRA's Ramsey comment to hand back to him when Ramsey lifts the Super Bowl trophy.

One game, we're all annoyed but that may serve as a reminder that the offense is a work in progress. Calm down, please.

How many games did it take for terry bradshaw to come through for the steelers?? lets say 4 seasons. give ramsey a damn break. no loyalty with some of you all, its crazy. Pat just had to change a whole playbook, none the less play for Steve Shittier and take a freaking pounding. He's running on instincts that he learned since he came into the NFL. even if he sucks the rest of this season, give him a chance. 1 or 2 more seasons. The guy has heart, and he takes the blame, and as well, has a rocket arm. Gibbs will show him how to play in the NFL, but it does take time.

AND.... if gardner caught that touchdown pass that he dropped, would we hear as much complaints? NO

I missed the game, but judging from the posts I've read it was quite an unimpressive showing all the way around.

First, I guess this goes to show that Gibbs is not Mr. Quick Fix. We were 5-11 last season and while some of us seem to have the Answers (Trade Ramsey! Cut Brunell! Start Hasselbeck! Start McCants!), the question hasn't really ever been posed.

I've seen Hasselbeck play and I wasn't that impressed. Maybe he's a helluva qb, but after watching the Dallas game last season I don't ever want to see that guy touch the field as a starter again. I don't care if he played like Joe Montana after that, he was as inept as any qb I've ever seen in a Redskins uniform and that includes Jeff George when he was back there ducking and hiding after taking the snap.

Gibbs offense takes a while to come together, all you had to do is go back to his first tenure to get that. I don't know if I've ever seen a coach come in and install a new system and get immediate results. There's a reason that the defenses are ahead of the offenses early in the season, offense takes time. This isn't the rec league at your local Y, this is the NFL and you need continuity to be successful. We've got Chris "This Way Please" Samuels, Dockery, Coles, Rod "Was That For Me?" Gardner and Randy Thomas back from last season.
:banghead: Go ahead and start calling for Hasselbeck and more Betts and McCants if you want. I'm with Gibbs. If he says Ramsey is the starter, then Ramsey is the guy who's going to go out and beat Dallas. If he says Hasselbeck is the guy, then he's the guy. But you don't win in the NFL by changing horses midstream. Hasselbeck is a cool third qb, but let's not get it twisted, he is most definitely not Tom Brady. Just thinking about Hasselbeck brings back memories of last year's Dallas game and :vomit-smi my bad.

AND.... if gardner caught that touchdown pass that he dropped, would we hear as much complaints?

yeah, cause he still dropped a ton, and fumbling possession WRs aren't very common problems... probably not as vitriolic of a response though...