For those that want Ramsey traded or Hasselbeck to start:

Matty, if you think things could get worse with Hasselbeck in the game, just let the 5 turnovers between the QB's against a weak secondary sink in a little.

I don't care what Gibbs, you or I suggest to Ramsey this comatose QB will not throw the ball away for nothing. You would think a young talented QB would understand a very basic technique as a QB. That bull about Ramsey being the future of this team was a joke from the jump. He didn't believe it and neither did I.

Hasselbeck must be given a chance to execute and run this offense until Brunell gets healthy. What do we have to lose? We've already lost to the Cowboys. Now let's get a win with Hasselbeck in the game. Play a conservative ground attack with short screen passes to either side. McCants has to be activated. Hasselbeck can throw at least 30 to 40 yds down field. That first INT that Ramsey threw in the endzone was a pathetic. As strong as he is, why did he loft a short pass in the air with no worry even though there was 2 defenders on Coles? Man this is plain stupid. I'll give Hasselbeck 1 INT against Dallas . But 3 INTs in 1 and half quarters is sad. We had 20 first downs. Count them 20 first downs. We had four opportunities in the fourth quarter alone and we still lost.

Like Ponchus Pilate, I'm washing my hands of the saviour named Ramsey.

I agree with Matty. Everyone wants to trade Ramsey, and Gardner all of a sudden. It was one game! I swear last week everyone was giving Gardner props for the catches he made, and some even thought that he would become the primary receiver for this offense? Now, he drops a couple of passes and he needs to get cut or traded? Let's be patient guys, this a new system and everyone is still adjusting. Be thankul that at least we have a defense that has kept us in the last two games. Last year we would've folded after the first couple of turnovers.

Lets hope that this was an eye opener for our guys and they will come Monday night with a chip on their shoulder against Dallas. I bet if we win next week with Ramsey starting, then I guess we're trading Brunell, right?

This one game was the culmination of 2 seasons with these bums. How many times will we use the excuse it's a new system? The problem isn't knowledge of the system. I didn't see Gardner running wrong routes. I saw Gardner and Ramsey not focused on what they were doing and panicking under pressure. The problems with these morons is EXECUTION! Execution will make a busted play look good. No consistency, no TDs. 20 first downs for us. 20 points for the Giants.

Please no more excuses for Ramsey. He's done for the season. Enough said.

I have serious doubts that either Ramsey or Gardner will ever develop into the type of players the team can rely upon. Neither is a rookie, though they both continue to play like one - particularly Ramsey.

Ramsey is turning into one of those players that initially looked so good (on paper), before he started playing, but was never able to translate that into success in the NFL. Shades of Heath Shuler!

Gardner is just disgusting - one good play and several bad ones. He will continue to cost this team in every game. He needs to ride the bench - start McCants or Thrash or anyone else but him. He has done this game after game after game. What does it take for the coaches to finally admit what we all see?

It was one game. We're 1-1. Joe Gibbs is the head coach. I have faith that they will get it together. Practically everyone said the D would probably have to carry the offense through the first part of the season, and everyone was right. Yes, it was a horrendous performance with 7 turnovers, but this will be a learning experience for this team and a HUGE motivation factor, especially going into Dallas week...not to mention for the rest of the season.
Ramsey will get better. Hopefully it will be as a back-up, with Brunell getting healthy this week. If not, Joe Gibbs and Co. are about 1,000 times better to prepare him that the previous regime. He has the talent and the smarts, he just needs more time and/or experience working in his first pro offense.
I agree with Matty, Hasselbeck is NOT the answer! If Brunell can't go, Ramsey is the next best bet. As I said above, he has the ability and I have faith in the staff to prepare him to play well.
Gardner will lose his spot, if not this week, then within the next few weeks. He just drops way too many passes. Gibbs will not stand for it, especially with the quality WR's like Thrash and McCants behind him. McCants needs to play. He is the big, strong clutch receiver that Gardner is supposed to be. As for a trade, it won't happen, but I bet Rod will be gone after the season.

This one game was the culmination of 2 seasons with these bums. How many times will we use the excuse it's a new system? The problem isn't knowledge of the system. I didn't see Gardner running wrong routes. I saw Gardner and Ramsey not focused on what they were doing and panicking under pressure. The problems with these morons is EXECUTION! Execution will make a busted play look good. No consistency, no TDs. 20 first downs for us. 20 points for the Giants.

Please no more excuses for Ramsey. He's done for the season. Enough said.

So what do you think the solution is? Trade Ramsey and get what? I do agree with you, but the problems we had are very, very fixable. Ramsey knows what he did, and I'm pretty sure Gardner does too.

Portis had two fumbles, and that too was a lack of focus but nobody says anything about him. Coles dropped a huge pass that would've kept our drive going and no one has said anything about him either.

My point is, is that the WHOLE OFFENSE is at fault, not individuals. The o-line didn't do a good job of opening up holes for Portis or protecting the QB. Brunell fumbled, Ramsey threw 3 pickles, Portis had two fumbles, and a bullshit penalty in the end zone that made us kick from our 20! Gardner and Coles BOTH dropped crucial passes. The whole offense played poorly.....

I have serious doubts that either Ramsey or Gardner will ever develop into the type of players the team can rely upon. Neither is a rookie, though they both continue to play like one - particularly Ramsey.

Ramsey is turning into one of those players that initially looked so good (on paper), before he started playing, but was never able to translate that into success in the NFL. Shades of Heath Shuler!

Gardner is just disgusting - one good play and several bad ones. He will continue to cost this team in every game. He needs to ride the bench - start McCants or Thrash or anyone else but him. He has done this game after game after game. What does it take for the coaches to finally admit what we all see?

LadyT, Ramsey has only played 16 games in two years so in essence he is still a rookie.

So what do you think the solution is? Trade Ramsey and get what? I do agree with you, but the problems we had are very, very fixable. Ramsey knows what he did, and I'm pretty sure Gardner does too.

Portis had two fumbles, and that too was a lack of focus but nobody says anything about him. Coles dropped a huge pass that would've kept our drive going and no one has said anything about him either.

My point is, is that the WHOLE OFFENSE is at fault, not individuals. The o-line didn't do a good job of opening up holes for Portis or protecting the QB. Brunell fumbled, Ramsey threw 3 pickles, Portis had two fumbles, and a bullshit penalty in the end zone that made us kick from our 20! Gardner and Coles BOTH dropped crucial passes. The whole offense played poorly.....

First of all, seek and ye shall find the QB for this team. There are always going to be eligible veteran QBs to pick up. Meanwhile, let's circle the wagon and play Hasselbeck until Brunell is healthy. Hasselbeck can run an efficient offense with protection. I don't care if Hasselbeck isn't putting up big numbers his first game, just run a turnover free offense. It's apparent that Brunell doesn't have the flash he showed in Jacksonville, but Brunell could play turnover free if given enough time to throw. This QB situation is fixable this year. I'm just angry that all of this as to be resolved 7 days before Dallas.

You're right the offense is at fault as a whole. The offense has given up 2 touchdowns already. The reverse play we ran yesterday was almost a fumble. Brunell almost threw the ball to Portis instead of handing it to him.

First of all, seek and ye shall find the QB for this team. There are always going to be eligible veteran QBs to pick up. Meanwhile, let's circle the wagon and play Hasselbeck until Brunell is healthy. Hasselbeck can run an efficient offense with protection. I don't care if Hasselbeck isn't putting up big numbers his first game, just run a turnover free offense. It's apparent that Brunell doesn't have the flash he showed in Jacksonville, but Brunell could play turnover free if given enough time to throw. This QB situation is fixable this year. I'm just angry that all of this as to be resolved 7 days before Dallas.

Sunra, trust me dawg I feel your anger. But let's try to be patient and trust Gibbs on the decisions he makes. I'm Hasselbeck fan myself, and I wouldn't mind seeing play some this year, but I don't think Gibbs is making any drastic changes after our first loss.

I believe in our staff and I am sure the right decisions will be made when they have to. Until then, I'm just looking forward to better performance against the Cowboys. Gibbs will have them ready.....

You're right the offense is at fault as a whole. The offense has given up 2 touchdowns already. The reverse play we ran yesterday was almost a fumble. Brunell almost threw the ball to Portis instead of handing it to him.

Another play to point out:

When Brunell threw the INT to Fred Robbins.....if Brunell would've had some time to get that throw out that play would've been a huge gain. It was a fake reverse screen to Portis, and I swear we had them fooled for a while before Brunell got pressured.....