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tryfuhl 04-02-2009, 12:52 PM If you knew you did not want to resign Campbell right now--would it not make sense to make this trade for this and next year's first round picks? It would be a net loss of a first round pick the way I see it.
Snyder, Cerrato, and even Zorn knows they do not want to resign Campbell right now. He is in the bottom third of starting QBs when it comes to TDs, 40+ plays, and 20+ plays. He throws for under 6 yards per pass on average. Zorn wants to attack downfield and that is why Snyderatto hired him. Campbell is not explosive enough and this offense needs more explosive weapons.
Cutler is better at all those above variables that Zorn and the FO value. So might as well make this trade now--spending two #1's and get your guy in place or wait another year, not resign Campbell, and have to spend next year's #1 on another QB that needs to be groomed. Cutler has been groomed and plays in a system related to our WCO. I know we have other needs but we need to score points in this league. The rules are so stacked now to be pro-offense yet the Skins have been painful to watch on offense for years (not counting the games with Todd Collins). I think Cutler will address that better, despite the cost, than having Campbell/a rookie OL or LB...
If we had Cutler, Brandon Lloyd would've caught that pass and still been a threat with us
sorry haha
KI Skins Fan 04-02-2009, 12:53 PM Why not? I mean, he's going to pay whatever it takes to get him which will put us behind the eight ball to begin with. Then Cutler will spend his first year here learning a new system, after which Snyder will fire Zorn and bring in Shanahan.
Snyder might as well accept the probability that his team won't win the division for at least several years. He should take this time to rebuild the team around Cutler and Haynesworth, as his offensive and defensive anchors.
Then Snyder could pick up some young players and draft picks via trade. He should either initiate or listen to trade offers for any player who is now 30 years old or older. That includes Moss, Samuels, ARE and others. If he needs to throw Cooley into the trade to get Cutler, well, what the hell, the Skins won't be winning for a while anyhow.
BTW, from now on, I won't be referring to the ficticious FO or using the terms "we" or "us" when discussing possible personnel moves. There is only Dan Snyder and his immense ego to consider. Please feel free to correct me if I should slip-up and accidently use any of the above discarded terms in any of my future posts.
RedskinPete 04-02-2009, 12:53 PM The one thing here is that know one wants Campbell and that is the real thing in all this. Most teams have seen what Vinny knowns that Campbell is never going to be the man! If he was other teams would be lined up.
Skinny Tee 04-02-2009, 12:54 PM This is insane.
We are still weeks away from the draft and we are hot to trade for this guy?
Snyder needs to a vacation.
Permanent vacation to Hades...the weather year round will be perfect for him...since he's the devil.
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Of course he's made some nice plays...but at the end of the day he averages 1 or 2 TD's a game. Look I am not a Campbell basher...and I don't want to start being one. I am more pro Cutler then I am anti Campbell. If Cutler is off the table I am happy to go into the season with Campbell.
RedskinPete 04-02-2009, 01:00 PM Why not? I mean, he's going to pay whatever it takes to get him which will put us behind the eight ball to begin with. Then Cutler will spend his first year here learning a new system, after which Snyder will fire Zorn and bring in Shanahan.
Snyder might as well accept the probability that his team won't win the division for at least several years. He should take this time to rebuild the team around Cutler and Haynesworth, as his offensive and defensive anchors.
Then Snyder could pick up some young players and draft picks via trade. He should either initiate or listen to trade offers for any player who is now 30 years old or older. That includes Moss, Samuels, ARE and others. If he needs to throw Cooley into the trade to get Cutler, well, what the hell, the Skins won't be winning for a while anyhow.
BTW, from now on, I won't be referring to the ficticious FO or using the terms "we" or "us" when discussing possible personnel moves. There is only Dan Snyder and his immense ego to consider. Please feel free to correct me if I should slip-up and accidently use any of the above discarded terms in any of my future posts. If the Skins go this way then the Haynesworth signing is a bad move! By the time he has any player to help him he will be over the hill.
BigHairedAristocrat 04-02-2009, 01:02 PM What did Smoot say exactly?
Smoot posted this around page 22:
We've been trying to get a 2nd rounder (damn you Jason Taylor!!) for a while now. I know for sure we've dangled Santana Moss out there, and I'm almost positive we dangled Rogers out there as well.
I'm not as down on Cutler as others are, so under the right circumstances, I'm not going to flip a lid if he came here. That said, I still don't think this is where he ultimately ends up (that's just my opinion though). But either way, I don't think Campbell is the future here. I don't agree with it, I think it will be a mistake to let him go. But, as much as Redskins coaches and execs may sing his praises in public, the truth is he has limited support (even from teammates) since even before he got hurt two seasons ago. His biggest supporter is now...the QB coach in Seattle.
Another member here asked him if his sources for this info were reliable and he confirmed.
Never? I'm not even sold on him being a true franchise QB yet. Let's not pencil him into the Hall already.
As far as who could be available who knows? Did anyone see Cutler becoming available?
Good point. The fact remains, though, that young pro-bowl QBs rarely become available. Given the number of teams reported to be interested in Cutler, it seems that many of "the people who matter" (owners, GMS, and coaches) all beleive his is a perennial pro-bowl-type QB. Whether he really is that or just another Derek Anderson remains to be seen.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Fred Smoot.
53Fan 04-02-2009, 01:06 PM Now that Denver apparently just want picks (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/apr/02/report-broncos-want-least-2-1st-round-picks-cutler/), and not necessarily another starting QB, puts other teams like the Jets, Browns, or Bucs ahead of the game I think. If McDaniels doesn't want another QB, why doesn't he get Peppers and a 2nd rounder from Carolina for Cutler? After the dismal performance by Delhomme, Carolina should want to replace him.
Denver needs d-line help. Every mock I've seen has them taking a d-lineman or LB. They could trade up and get a QB if they wanted. This deal would actually make sense.
Dirtbag59 04-02-2009, 01:11 PM Look on the brightside guy. At least with Cutler we'll have a QB that will be more suited to making our red zone offense work. It's just I don't know who was more responsible for guys like Cooley having 1td catch weather it be Zorns playcalling or Campbells inability to decide.
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