Mark Sanchez at 13th?

your "logic" would mean if I said we should trade up to draft Jason Smith, it would mean I thought it was the teams ONLY need, and we were ignoring the others? No, it would just mean that I thought Jason Smith was so head and shoulders above both what we have on this team, and above his peers in the draft, that he was worth trading up to get, even if it meant making fewer improvements in other areas. It wouldnt mean i felt OT was the teams only need.

Feel free to disagree with me, and express your opinion, but dont assert i have opinions which i have not expressed, especially when theyre that outlandish.

Well given the fact that a lot of people tend to disagree with your posts, I would say that it is safe to say that your opinions are outlandish.

Well given the fact that a lot of people tend to disagree with your posts, I would say that it is safe to say that your opinions are outlandish.

Oh man good stuff here...

Its not that i feel any of my arguments have been proven wrong and i'm grasping at straws - its just that none of my previous arguments have done anything to sway you and there's no sense repeating the same arguments over and over again.

Your arguments have been proven wrong by a few people here (you just don't admit this). And you keep making the same arguments over and over again.

I don't hate Campbell

You want to get rid of Jason Campbell, so you hate him as the Redskins QB. Why are you so afraid of admitting this?

I just dont think he's a good fit here and i am 100% certain he will be gone after this season at the latest

Didn't you say you there's no sense in repeating the same argument over and over again? Well you just did here.

so why not move him now and get some value for him if we can? I'd rather get something for him now, than nothing for him later.

I think the team tried to do this (this is what makes me think your secretly Snyder).

As to my friends - not a single one of them is a redskins fan. Most of them are lifelong Steelers, Colts, Patriots, and Giants fans and we usually watch games at sports bars together or someones house. Alot of them are much older than me and i trust their input - not a one of them that ive talked tothinks Campbell will succeed in this offense, which agrees with what the paid professionals have been saying since we brought Zorn here.

See this is why I made the comment that you mention sources without mentioning them. Can you come up with 3 to 5 articles of paid professionals that have said Campbell won't succeed in Zorns offense? I think it would help your arguments if you did come up with them (I figure given how much you put into your posts, you wouldn't mind doing this).

This franchise has been mediocre since Snyder took over and that will never ever change with Campbell at the helm

Yeah, I think you hate Campbell.

This franchise has been mediocre since Snyder took over and that will never ever change with Campbell at the helm - he is a guy that doesnt make many mistakes, thats it. He's too timid to ever become great. Campbell ensures this team stays mediocre. Going 9-7 or 10-6 and playing in the wild card game once every few years doesnt satisfy me.

Didn't you get all riled up when I said that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem? Well I think this statement confirms that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Well this was fun.

Your arguments have been proven wrong by a few people here (you just don't admit this). And you keep making the same arguments over and over again.



You want to get rid of Jason Campbell, so you hate him as the Redskins QB. Why are you so afraid of admitting this?



Didn't you say you there's no sense in repeating the same argument over and over again? Well you just did here.



I think the team tried to do this (this is what makes me think your secretly Snyder).

See this is why I made the comment that you mention sources without mentioning them. Can you come up with 3 to 5 articles of paid professionals that have said Campbell won't succeed in Zorns offense? I think it would help your arguments if you did come up with them (I figure given how much you put into your posts, you wouldn't mind doing this).



Yeah, I think you hate Campbell.



Didn't you get all riled up when I said that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem? Well I think this statement confirms that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Well this was fun.

LOL! Seriously, moving up to get Sanchez would be the worst decision in the Synder area, and would set our Franchise back a few years. This move would state Synder/Vinny look for talent in drafts instead of need, Zorn does not think JC can be sucessful in the WCO.

Your arguments have been proven wrong by a few people here (you just don't admit this). And you keep making the same arguments over and over again.



You want to get rid of Jason Campbell, so you hate him as the Redskins QB. Why are you so afraid of admitting this?



Didn't you say you there's no sense in repeating the same argument over and over again? Well you just did here.



I think the team tried to do this (this is what makes me think your secretly Snyder).



See this is why I made the comment that you mention sources without mentioning them. Can you come up with 3 to 5 articles of paid professionals that have said Campbell won't succeed in Zorns offense? I think it would help your arguments if you did come up with them (I figure given how much you put into your posts, you wouldn't mind doing this).



Yeah, I think you hate Campbell.



Didn't you get all riled up when I said that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem? Well I think this statement confirms that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Well this was fun.

Yes it was

I don't want this to degenerate into something ugly, so i think its best that we stick to this:


See this is why I made the comment that you mention sources without mentioning them. Can you come up with 3 to 5 articles of paid professionals that have said Campbell won't succeed in Zorns offense? I think it would help your arguments if you did come up with them (I figure given how much you put into your posts, you wouldn't mind doing this).


Actually, i have put links to articles in my posts when we discussed this before, so i didnt feel the need to do it again. Also, these are all articles every respectable internet-loving Redskins fan would have read when we got Zorn in the first place, but apparently some of you have selective memory. Anyway, here are some quotes ala google that speak to his being a poor fit for the WCO, and his weaknesses in general. I only put his weaknesses here because you and others have disputed them in the past and acted as if i was making them up:

1. Jim Zorn, Redskins Head Coach
Trying to Get Up to Speed - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090503414.html?sub=AR)
Zorn... was concerned by his[I] tendency to lock onto a particular receiver, which contributed to a sack on the first offensive play of the game. Campbell also neglected to attempt to find a primary receiver downfield too often -- opting for "check-downs" to secondary options instead -- and Zorn is still waiting for a vertical component of his attack take shape. [/QUOTE]
A tendency is not a one-time occurence, its a pattern. Granted, this was the first game of this past season, but its been commented on for years.

2. JLCs Famous Anonymous Sources
Trying to Get Up to Speed - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090503414.html?sub=AR)

This quote gives me goosebumps every time I read it. If I could fit it in my sig, I would.
Some scouts and executives believe Campbell is a poor fit for the West Coast offense, with his size and skills favoring seven-step drops and more deep throws, instead of the three-step drops and quick, rhythmic cadence of Zorn's style. "When I watch that team, I think something's going to have to give,"said one NFL executive who has studied Campbell closely and believes he could succeed as a drop-back passer. "Is it the scheme or the quarterback? At some point either the coach is going to have to change what he does to fit the quarterback, or they're going to need a different quarterback."

Ok, sorry but i've got to take care of some things, and didnt have time to look for any more articles after that one. This was the first one that came up when I did a search. I'll look for more and add to this post when I have time.

On a side note, if you go back to WP:RI last year, Jason was hating on the marriage of Zorn/Campbell ever since we brought Zorn here. Now, when its being reported we're pursuing another QB, JLC is criticizing the FO even though its a move his own sources, told him was inevitable. Kinda makes you wonder what his motives are...

I think you are overvaluing the information found in throwaway/space filler non-quotes in articles written over a season ago, but hey, at least it's something.

I mean, I don't think you can take any of this and say Campbell definately has unresolvable issues in the WCO, but at least you can blame someone for poor reporting.

1. Jim Zorn, Redskins Head Coach
Trying to Get Up to Speed - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090503414.html?sub=AR)
which contributed to a sack on the first offensive play of the game. Campbell also neglected to attempt to find a primary receiver downfield too often -- opting for "check-downs" to secondary options instead -- and Zorn is still waiting for a vertical component of his attack take shape.
Using quotes from "Some scouts and executives" and an unnamed "NFL Executive" after the first game for Zorn/Campbell together in the WCO against a against a top 5 defense, is hardly solid support for your arguments. Shall we review what Zorn has to say in the same article (Zorn knows a thing or two aobut QBs, and is risking his reputation and livelihood on JC); "Zorn discounted the notion Campbell might not be a perfect fit for this offense but was honest about the length of time necessary to grasp it fully. He spoke again yesterday about how "wild" Pro Bowl passer Matt Hasselbeck was in his first season in Seattle with Zorn as quarterbacks coach, even after Hasselbeck's four years as a backup in the same system in Green Bay, but said Campbell has enough talent to overcome any hiccups.
"I think he's got enough athleticism, I really do, to speed up his game in certain situations," Zorn said. "And part of that, I'm hoping, is just the idea of understanding the offense better, the speed of it. He's not there yet, but I'm not totally discouraged. We have to make big plays when the opportunity is there."

I post the following story not as gospel-truth, of course, but as fuel for this discussion:

Browns will draft Crabtree or Sanchez
Sources: Browns Will Take Either Sanchez Or Crabtree (http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=10205907)

I post the following story not as gospel-truth, of course, but as fuel for this discussion:

Browns will draft Crabtree or Sanchez
Sources: Browns Will Take Either Sanchez Or Crabtree (http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=10205907)The Browns really haven't done a whole lot to dispute this, with the whole trying to trade the entire offense and all.