Mark Sanchez at 13th?


wilsowilso
04-17-2009, 06:52 PM
Eli is better than JC.

Have fun arguing with Tripp about quarterbacks.

He has the power of statistical vortex.

GTripp0012
04-17-2009, 06:55 PM
Have fun arguing with Tripp about quarterbacks.

He has the power of statistical vortex.That's why they call me the Quarterback guru.

Actually, I called myself that, and then they rightfully made fun of me.

GMScud
04-17-2009, 07:03 PM
Is that why Tebow was projected as a 4th round pick...at H-Back?

Eric Crouch won a Heisman.

As a huge Gator fan, I've been biting my tounge on the Tebow comments. But don't even think of comparing him to Eric Crouch. Tebow has better numbers, a better arm, and all of his intangibles are off the charts. He's 6-3, 240, and very mobile. Not to mention he can make every throw, and if you watched him in the SEC Championship game or the title game, dude can thread the needle when he needs to. After this coming season, he will leave UF as one of, if not the most accomplished college QUARTERBACK of all time. He'll be a pro QB, and I have a feeling he'll be a good one.

I guarantee you he is a first round pick in 2010. As a QB. As GTripp said, there's no way every team passes on him.

Jon Gruden knows a thing or two about QBs. Here's his take on Super T during an interview:

Q: Most people are dismissing Tebow as a quarterback in the NFL.

Gruden: "Tim Tebow is so interesting to me. He’s like Brandon Jacobs (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/brandon-jacobs-PESPT008383.topic) playing quarterback. He’s 250 pounds. He’s the strongest human being who’s ever played the position. Ever. He will kick the living [expletive] out of a defensive lineman. He’ll fight anybody. He is rare. Tebow is the kind of guy who could revolutionize the game. He’s the ‘wildcat’ who can throw. Most of the teams that have the wildcat back there, it’s Ronnie Brown, it’s Jerious Norwood, it’s whoever you want to say it is. This guy here is 250 pounds of concrete cyanide, man. And he can throw. He throws well enough at any level to play quarterback.”

“He can and will play quarterback in the NFL. When he was a high school senior, they played Armwood in the state championship game. I have tape. He has an 80-yard touchdown run that put them in the lead. When it flipped around, and Armwood had the ball, what position do you think Tebow was playing? He was playing nose guard — and he disrupted about 10 plays. This guy is totally different. He’s got Rich Gannon (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/rich-gannon-PESPT002463.topic), Drew Brees, that kind of makeup as a team guy. What he said after the Ole Miss game, I said, ‘That’s my favorite football player I’ve ever seen in my whole life.’ I said, ‘I want Florida to win every game that kid plays from now on.’”

CRedskinsRule
04-17-2009, 07:04 PM
Is that why Tebow was projected as a 4th round pick...at H-Back?

Eric Crouch won a Heisman.

I thought I had read the pecking order for this year's draft at the end of the college season, and Sanchez was behind all three. but I could not find it via google. So if i was wrong i is very truly sorry.

I still would say Sanchez would be number 3 at the best and that's not worth any more than this year's number 13. Especially if, as the JC bashing crowd says, we don't improve and end up with the same or worse record. Then we might as well wait till next year and let the newest head coach select the newest franchise quarterback with all the bank books DS can throw at him.

But with this year's draft lets build for this years team.

BigHairedAristocrat
04-17-2009, 07:04 PM
I have a simple answer for this, and I dare you to counter my point without: writing a long ass paragraph, take the approach that your opinion is fact, and mention "sources" without actually mentioning them.

Right now there is talk of the team getting Mark Sanchez, well this is how we would get Mark Sanchez and what it would result:

Mark Sanchez = Trading Up = Giving up #13 in '09, a later round pick '09, and/or round pick in '10. Giving up draft picks in '09, including the #13, and possibly a pick in '10 = no Michael Oher or Brian Orakpo, no possibility of trading down, and going into '10 down one draft pick.

So by you telling me that we need Mark Sanchez to replace Jason Campbell, you are telling me that you are willing to risk losing all of these draft picks for the sake of addressing the "QB" position, which would in turn result in not being able to address the DE, LB, RT, and any other position of need. If we are not addressing these other position, then logic tells me that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Oh and are you by any chance Dan Snyder?

What sources have i ever claimed to have? I dont have inside sources. I'm just a fan.

As to your "logic" to say i think Campbell is the only problem, completely ignores the explanation i gave. I'll requote it:

QB is a position of concern in 2009, and likely (for one reason or another) to be a position of extreme need in 2010. It needs to be evaluated and prioritized along with OL, DE, LB, WR, RB and nickleback. The evaluation needs to compare the specific players we have with the specific players we are able to acquire, what players will be available next year, the risks involved if an draftee doesnt work out, the risks involved in "doing nothing" to address each position, and so on.

your "logic" would mean if I said we should trade up to draft Jason Smith, it would mean I thought it was the teams ONLY need, and we were ignoring the others? No, it would just mean that I thought Jason Smith was so head and shoulders above both what we have on this team, and above his peers in the draft, that he was worth trading up to get, even if it meant making fewer improvements in other areas. It wouldnt mean i felt OT was the teams only need.

Feel free to disagree with me, and express your opinion, but dont assert i have opinions which i have not expressed, especially when theyre that outlandish.

BigHairedAristocrat
04-17-2009, 07:07 PM
I thought I had read the pecking order for this year's draft at the end of the college season, and Sanchez was behind all three. but I could not find it via google. So if i was wrong i is very truly sorry.

I still would say Sanchez would be number 3 at the best and that's not worth any more than this year's number 13. Especially if, as the JC bashing crowd says, we don't improve and end up with the same or worse record. Then we might as well wait till next year and let the newest head coach select the newest franchise quarterback with all the bank books DS can throw at him.

But with this year lets build for this years team.

Getting a new coach and new QB and new system next year is a horrible scenario. IMO if we stick with Zorn/Cambpell, thats what Snyder will end up doing. If thats the case, we might as well trade our picks for 2010 picks so the new regime can have something to work with.

SmootSmack
04-17-2009, 07:12 PM
That's why they call me the Quarterback guru.

Actually, I called myself that, and then they rightfully made fun of me.

Oh man, that was great. We had so much fun with that :)

Quarterback Swami, Quarterback Seer, Quarterback Svengali, Quarterback Maestro, etc...

CRedskinsRule
04-17-2009, 07:15 PM
Getting a new coach and new QB and new system next year is a horrible scenario. IMO if we stick with Zorn/Cambpell, thats what Snyder will end up doing. If thats the case, we might as well trade our picks for 2010 picks so the new regime can have something to work with.
So do you think bringing in Sanchez would keep Zorn for more then 2 more years?

GTripp0012
04-17-2009, 07:19 PM
QB is a position of concern in 2009, and likely (for one reason or another) to be a position of extreme need in 2010. It needs to be evaluated and prioritized along with OL, DE, LB, WR, RB and nickleback. The evaluation needs to compare the specific players we have with the specific players we are able to acquire, what players will be available next year, the risks involved if an draftee doesnt work out, the risks involved in "doing nothing" to address each position, and so on.See, this is where Schneed comes out of the dark to rip you for not understanding contract negotiation structure and stuff. The assumption that we won't have Campbell by anything other than our own discretion isn't worth responding to. It's true that his contract ends, but he's not going anywhere unless we move in another direction.

The problem with the rest of this is that all those other positions are needs because we are really old there. We're not old at QB, and thusly, it should be prioritized much, much lower in the draft. We have a 27 year old QB and a 26 year old QB behind him (Colt's age on opening day). We won't need to "get younger" for the next 5-7 years, or at least until Colt's contract expires after 2011.

So to say QB is a position of need in the draft is ignoring the obvious elephant in the room: either we end up with three different QBs shy of their prime years, or we cut a young guy to make room for a younger guy.

Meanwhile, every one of the positions left unadressed ages one year every year. Across the board, teams age very, very fast. We tend to piss away our draft picks anyway. Here's the thing: if you are tired of mediocrity, but you support a trade up for Mark Sanchez, I think you either have no idea what mediocrity is, or you are being hypocritical. On the oldest team in the NFC, pushing 27 year old starters, at any position, to the side of the road is not progress.

Regardless of what you think of Campbell, correct me if I'm wrong, our number one need is youth, across the board. Spend the pick somewhere to get significantly younger. That's how you break mediocrity's spell, not this "guess in the dark on QBs" crap.

GMScud
04-17-2009, 07:30 PM
I just had a realization: I respect Jerry Jones more than The Little Danny. At least Jones has the balls and integrity to label himself as the general manager. He doesn't operate through some puppet personnel VP.

I'm annoyed. I'm headed out to have some drinks with my girlfriend and enjoy this awesome weather.

Happy Friday everyone.

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