Mark Sanchez at 13th?

One went to USC and the other didn't, that's the media's point but is that a serious question??

Yes a very serious question. The only reason Sanchez is so high in the draft is because he is the second best QB to come out(and lately great interview, good pro day), not because he is a better valued player then the OT's, LB's, RB's he will get picked over.

People are assuming Sanchez would play the first year, even if he was drafted he wouldn't play. And how could Sanchez be rated better then Colt, he only played 16 games.

Because Colt played in a video game system, played mostly against second rate competition, has poor NFL mechanics, is small and light.... Need I go on?

I cannot understand your extreme dislike of JC.

In a new system in 2008, and behind a creaky OL, his qb rating was better than Favre, Flacco, Kerry Collins, and Roethlisberger. His completion percentage was better than Romo, Eli Manning, and Matt Ryan. He also threw for more yards than Eli Manning. And he threw fewer interceptions than just about everyone who starts.

So, in a new system with a creaky offensive line, he outperformed some Super Bowl winning QB's. It seems to me that, in the best-case scenario, your views are very much overstated, and in the worst-case scenario your views on JC are way off.

Many people are like this, I don't understand why such hatred for Campbell. I guess these people didn't see wideouts dropping good passes or our old offensive linemen getting bulldozed during the second half of the season. I wish people would write long threads on why we should draft a stud o-lineman instead of all of this anti-Campbell stuff. It reminds me when Reed Doughty became Redskins enemy #1 and people stopped talking about him when he got hurt.

Yes a very serious question. The only reason Sanchez is so high in the draft is because he is the second best QB to come out(and lately great interview, good pro day), not because he is a better valued player then the OT's, LB's, RB's he will get picked over.


How can you say that if none of them have played a down in the NFL yet???

Because Colt played in a video game system, played mostly against second rate competition, has poor NFL mechanics, is small and light.... Need I go on?

And Sanchez played with tremendous talent around him, never was pressured, and threw to wide open receivers. So while im not saying Colt is the greatest, i don't see how sanchez would be viewed that much better. Having a great Proday should not move you up this much in the draft.

Ask San Diego fans if they waited long enough on Brees. Did we wait long enough on Trent Green? It's been 2.5 years starting, what exactly did you expect? It's called DEVELOPING YOUR PLAYERS. We all cry and whine about wasted draft picks, hell what do you think you're going to get with all of those picks, Pro Bowl ready players every time?

We won 8 games last year and had the defense not crapped away the St. Louis, Cincy and SF games we would have been in the playoffs. It truly amazes me that some of you guys act like Campbell was out there losing games for us left and right.

Seriously, you can't compare all rookie QB to the Falcons or Ravens last year, those were historical anomalies. In both cases, they were game managers supported by a great running game (Atlanta) and a great defense (Baltimore). Please don't be fooled into believing they were the reason they were playoff teams.
:woot: Tell it like it is Paintrain! Give em hell!

Because Colt played in a video game system, played mostly against second rate competition, has poor NFL mechanics, is small and light.... Need I go on?

Good Colt summary.

People are assuming Sanchez would play the first year, even if he was drafted he wouldn't play. And how could Sanchez be rated better then Colt, he only played 16 games.


How would that help us then???

How can you say that if none of them have played a down in the NFL yet???

None of the players are a given, but its been proven over the past 40 years that Line positions are less of a risk in the draft. Of course Sanchez could go on to be a great quarterback. We all know if he gos 2nd or 4th or even 13th, its because there werent many QBs available and not because he was considered the best football player available at that spot.

Also, someone else made a good point-it was something like: Zorn/Sanchez could go 6-10 in 2009 and everyone could be fine for 2010, but Zorn/Campbell could go 9-7 and everyone (Zorn/Campbell/Cerrato) loses their jobs. Like it or not, the stakes are much higher for Zorn if Campbell is here. Realistically, given the level of patience in the modern NFL (and our owners impatience in particular), anything less than 11-5 or an NFC championship game appearance and we're starting from scratch in 2010. Given JCs complete lack of natural suitability for this offense, and the other holes we have on this team, do you really think thats a likely outcome? I think you are GROSSLY overstating what will be required for year 3 of Zorn/Campbell. No owner, even Snyder, is going to fire a coach with a .500 season and a winning season as their first two seasons. Again, it amazes me the way some of you guys talk, like we're coming off of a 2-14 season or something. We won ONE less game than the previous season, and you could put 3 of them (Rams, Bengals, Niners) squarely on the defense. The funniest, most ironic thing is the lack of patience and foresight you kill the front office of is the justification for mortgaging the future because you're unhappy with consistent progress.


I dont. And every opinion I have about the direction this team should go is based on that premise. "Slow, steady improvement" on Campbells part is not going to cut it. Maybe, if he were only entering his 2nd or 3rd year in the league... but not his 5th. Campbell is close to realizing his potential. Theres not that much more room for improvement, atleast not in this system. My #1 hope is that this team drafts a rookie WCO QB (quick release, good decionsmaker, extremely accurate with short passes) and then keeps the system in place for him atleast 3-4 years. Blame it on whatever and whomever you want, but Campbell is damaged goods and will never become a franchise QB in this system. IMO Its time to cut our losses and move on. It's Campbell's 3rd year as a starter. His first year was a wash. He didn't touch the field and that offense was scrapped, how can you count that? He played midway thru his second season, started all of his third and all of his 4th. Why are you in such a hurry to throw dirt on his grave as a QB? The argument of "he's not a fit for the WCO" just doesn't hold water. Completion percentage-up. Yards-up. TD-up. INT-down. What's your criteria for 'not a good fit'?