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Dirtbag59 04-16-2009, 02:58 PM Unlike Cutler though, drafting Sanchez to be QB of the F doesn't mean that Campbell isn't still going to get their best efforts for this and potentially next season.
It does mean that they think they don't have holes. Ugh.
Holes that the messiah (QB) will fix.
hooskins 04-16-2009, 02:59 PM I would be so pissed if I were Campbell right now especially after this whole meeting. Also if Danny started jerking off to Sanchez the end of last month then he should've told JC about it during the meeting.
Finally if I were Danny and I didn't think JC could cut it then now would be the time to draft a QB. But then this brings up the question, why draft Colt??? It doesn't matter if it is a late rounder, because there is no point of picking a guy if you truly don't believe he can contribute.
SmootSmack 04-16-2009, 03:02 PM Really? I thought he supported Campbell a lot. Also do the players know all this?
How much the players know, I don't know. But some of them know I'm sure...otherwise I wouldn't know all that I know...ya know?
As for Zorn telling Campbell "we're in this together" what else would he say?
The general belief is, and I've said this before, "Hey, we all love Jason. He's a great guy. And we can win with him. We just don't know if we can win because of him"
And they still like Colt but think he's two years away at best.
GTripp0012 04-16-2009, 03:04 PM The general belief is, and I've said this before, "Hey, we all love Jason. He's a great guy. And we can win with him. We just don't know if we can win because of him"It's the guy who adds, "you know who can make us winners? Mark Sanchez!" that I want fired tomorrow.
SmootSmack 04-16-2009, 03:07 PM It's the guy who adds, "you know who can make us winners? Mark Sanchez!" that I want fired tomorrow.
Is it because of his lack of college experience?
FRPLG 04-16-2009, 03:13 PM Is it because of his lack of college experience?
I dont want to speak for Tripp but I am pretty sure the answer is. If we combined the best attributes of Brady, Manning, Montana, Elway and Marino into one uber-QB and put him behind our line we'd still win no more than 10 games because he'd be on his ass just about as much as JC was. Our problem is not QB.
The Goat 04-16-2009, 03:15 PM The million dollar question for me is when and why our FO utterly lost hope in JC? It defies logic. By the 2nd half of last season, when Jason's numbers plummeted, we easily had the worst offensive line in football. This unit was an embarrassment to football...defenders shot through the line within a split second of the snap, from center to right tackle there was practically zero run-blocking w/ Rabach getting manhandled, Thomas ailing and Heyer unable to find a defender to block. It was horrible. And the WR corp was among the worst 5 in football IMO. Just pitiful. So basically Jason's had little to nothing to work w/ and evidently from this Danny and Vinny can deduce his "real" potential. It's extremely suspicious in the first place our FO/coaches never acknowledged the dismal state of the offensive line. So again i'm starving for some inside information, even a hunch, about how and when the FO came to it's current mindset about our QB situation.
I'm just gonna repost this till I get a satisfactory answer...
GTripp0012 04-16-2009, 03:17 PM Is it because of his lack of college experience?I'm not even that worried about the low starts number in his case. Clearly, the 16/17 figure is not indicative of his true level of experience, after three seasons coming off the bench. He's been a college football player longer than either Stafford or Freeman.
With that said, nothing he's done in shirt and shorts indicates he's better than one year at a 64% completion percentage. In context of USC, that's a promising figure, but hardly worthy of high first round consideration. From a scouting perspective, I've seen plenty of stuff he just screws up under pressure. Shoddy fundamentals under pressure (not unlike Stafford).
He's very "toolzy", but he brings nothing to the table that Campbell doesn't already have, except I guess that he's 4 years younger.
My main problem with Sanchez is that he brings nothing to the table that Colt Brennan doesn't. Both guys posted really nice numbers out west, but the projection curve is much steeper on both guys than Campbell's was at Auburn.
Bottom line, if they were in the same draft, I'm taking Campbell 10/10 times. That's without seeing the promise we've seen from Jason over the last two years.
GTripp0012 04-16-2009, 03:20 PM Or the simplified version: If the front office doesn't think Jason Campbell can go out and win games against long odds (which seems to be the issue), how on God's green earth does Mark Sanchez fix that problem? Is taking a player at a dominant college program really the best way to find a guy who wins under any conditions.
Basically, if you are pushing Campbell to the side of the road, you're trying to replace him with the next Peyton Manning. I don't see how Mark Sanchez profiles as the next Manning, in anyones opinion.
SmootSmack 04-16-2009, 03:22 PM I like Sanchez, but I agree that he's probably no better than Campbell and maybe not even Colt (given time). If we actually draft him, then I would hope it's paired with making other moves to get other 1st and 2nd rounders to help the team in other areas. And if we get Sanchez, I wouldn't dangle Campbell along any further. But at the same time, I wouldn't want less than a 3rd for him. Which may be tough.
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