Would you take Charley Casserly back as GM?

Hind-sight is not always 20-20. But Casserly is a smart man.

He is smart but should stick to analyizing the draft, but bringing him in here as a scout, would be a better solution, and if the players he recruits turn out good then you could move him to GM

Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....

Kinda hard to see that coming. Casserly is a smart guy, but his better work is done what he's doing now though.

Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....

If I read the summary of Cerrato's interview with Doc correctly, I guess he said that when he was in San Fran (Vinny is required by law to mention either SF or ND in all pressers) they knew Stubblefield was just looking to get paid.

Cerrato was in SF when Stubby was starting to “blow up” so they were trying get rid of him and trade him somewhere. Their play was to get picks to trade up in the draft to the 22nd spot with Jacksonville to draft Reynaldo Wynn. Funny how things work out. Anyway, Cerrato was very familiar with Stubby and knew he only wanted to get paid.

Thank You BHA, if I may call you that.

So you would be happy if Snyder replaced Vinny with Matt Millen? He fits your criteria as an ex GM. How about Tom Donahoe, Rick Speilman, Ken Herrock, Rich McKay or anyone else reviled by their former fan bases?

Ok...ok...you (and others) make a good point.
Vinny aint the worst GM...but he is certainly not top tier.

I retract my statement

Kinda hard to see that coming. Casserly is a smart guy, but his better work is done what he's doing now though.

Sure...but apparently everyone here saw Taylor's injury coming, or Patten blowing out his knee. Just saying, we talk about Stubblefield being a bust all the time here, but we never attach Casserly to it. Had Cerrato been the one to bring him, I don't know that we'd be as forgiving.

If he'd draft Alex Mack, yeah. :)

Sure...but apparently everyone here saw Taylor's injury coming, or Patten blowing out his knee. Just saying, we talk about Stubblefield being a bust all the time here, but we never attach Casserly to it. Had Cerrato been the one to bring him, I don't know that we'd be as forgiving.Seeing the injury coming is unrealistic, but when you are trying to drill out compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a former Defensive POY, Cerrato has to be able to use the age and threat of injury to drive down the price of that compensation. Paying a third round pick for Taylor would have been significantly less offensive than a second, and while Parcells might have held out for a better offer, he would have absoultely taken a third than get nothing at all.

Vinny lost track of relative value where Casserly stayed aware (he had the presence to let Sean Gilbert walk under the franchise tag, and collect the picks), and simply missed on a player who he could sign without compensation. I'm not excusing trying to build a defensive line around Stubblefield and Big Daddy Wilkenson, but I'm saying his methodology for doing so was strong.

Seeing the injury coming is unrealistic, but when you are trying to drill out compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a former Defensive POY, Cerrato has to be able to use the age and threat of injury to drive down the price of that compensation. Paying a third round pick for Taylor would have been significantly less offensive than a second, and while Parcells might have held out for a better offer, he would have absoultely taken a third than get nothing at all.

Vinny lost track of relative value where Casserly stayed aware (he had the presence to let Sean Gilbert walk under the franchise tag, and collect the picks), and simply missed on a player who he could sign without compensation. I'm not excusing trying to build a defensive line around Stubblefield and Big Daddy Wilkenson, but I'm saying his methodology for doing so was strong. Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"

Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"I agree. I don't think Snyder is even aware that he's creating an environment that makes it nearly impossible to call the shots with efficiency and effectivness, but it seems like that's the case.