Would you take Charley Casserly back as GM?

I meant the offseason moves leading up to the 99 Draft and the Draft itself. I cannot complain about Champ and Jon. But he traded away a first and a 3rd for Brad Johnson along with picks for other FA's. Then aquired all of the Saints draft picks in the "Ricky Williams trade" and came up with only two players. It still pains me to this day to think about it.

If you remember correctly we had no QB that year. Trent Green left for STL cause the ownership situation was a mess. If you ask me that was a damn good move as Brad had a pro bowl year and then went on to win a SB w/ TB. Back then BJ was not a top tier QB but he was more than serviceable.

I'd take Charley back over Vinny in a heartbeat but it will never happen. I heard Vinny on the radio this am and he simply DOES NOT have the knowledge or smarts that Casserly does. Casserly is on NFL Network and CBS and he just REALLY REALLY knows his stuff and you can tell why this guy rose from being George Allen's unpaid gofer, to an NFL general manager and TV consultant. If you listen to the two it's like night and day. Today Vinny was still backing the move for Jason Taylor saying, "he'd do the same thing all over again." What????? Sometimes I just shake my head in amazement that he's in the position he is in but it is what it is and Vinny isn't going anywhere.

I can't say CC has done anything to make me think he has the ability to be a good GM. Ever.

I liked Casserly...what we need is beathard and the fountain of youth.
To be honest...almost any ex GM would be better than our current situation...unless of course, one of our 2nd rounders from last year suddenly makes the pro-bowl this year....pa-leeze!

I liked Casserly...what we need is beathard and the fountain of youth.
To be honest...almost any ex GM would be better than our current situation...unless of course, one of our 2nd rounders from last year suddenly makes the pro-bowl this year....pa-leeze!

I always love the "anything is better" argument. They're so...clueless.

I always love the "anything is better" argument. They're so...clueless.

That "argument" doesn't fly with me either.

Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....

Charley Casserly is an exceptionally hard working guy and competent to a fault in terms of day to day operations, dealing with the league, and all those things that have to be done behind the scenes that we don't get to see or judge.

As a talent evaluator, he had some real doozies, though. The drafting of OL Andre Johnson was so bad that even the press was too embarrassed to talk much about what a fiasco it was. And you could go on at length like this. Heath Shuler, Desmond Howard, Micheal Westbrooke, etc. If you look at the list, you say things to yourself like, "Tre Johnson was good -Kenard Lang wasn't bad." But there those are the best of them. Most of his picks went nowhere.

Having said that, he is GREAT on NFL Network. I saw a segment with him the other day and even the other on-screen talent was like "Holy Cow, Look at Charley go!" He was talking about how to manage the Jay Cutler kerfuffle in Denver and it was like he had a seven bullet power point presentation. "First, send a letter to every other team in the league...", and on like that for three solid minutes. It's no wonder that few people laughed when Charley was mentioned as a potential candidate for comissioner.


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I totally agree 70Chip that,s what I've felt watching him go over drat picks , and The Cutler fiasco..

Charley Casserly is an exceptionally hard working guy and competent to a fault in terms of day to day operations, dealing with the league, and all those things that have to be done behind the scenes that we don't get to see or judge.

As a talent evaluator, he had some real doozies, though. The drafting of OL Andre Johnson was so bad that even the press was too embarrassed to talk much about what a fiasco it was. And you could go on at length like this. Heath Shuler, Desmond Howard, Micheal Westbrooke, etc. If you look at the list, you say things to yourself like, "Tre Johnson was good -Kenard Lang wasn't bad." But there those are the best of them. Most of his picks went nowhere.

Having said that, he is GREAT on NFL Network. I saw a segment with him the other day and even the other on-screen talent was like "Holy Cow, Look at Charley go!" He was talking about how to manage the Jay Cutler kerfuffle in Denver and it was like he had a seven bullet power point presentation. "First, send a letter to every other team in the league...", and on like that for three solid minutes. It's no wonder that few people laughed when Charley was mentioned as a potential candidate for comissioner.


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Casserly did have some really rough drafts & they were at a time when the franchise REALLY needed them to be fruitful. As a talent evaluator I don't know that he's any better than Vinny. But as a guy who pulled off good trades & had a sense of value w/draft picks, I think he's shown quite a good track record. Plus, he looks pretty good now w/the Mario Williams pick & the building of Houston that he did.

Don't be too hard on him for some of those picks, e.g. D. Howard. As Casserly said himself, there was no GM out there that didn't think Howard was a great prospect. WRs are a boom/bust pick.

And w/Westbrook, I put that one on Turner. I know Casserly was GM, but the word was that Turner really wanted him. I'm still pissed that they passed on Warren Sapp that year & then went on to sign stubby & Big Daddy a couple years afterward.

Heath Shuler? That guy looked like a star on the rise when he started here, but he could never make it happen. I can't fault CC or Norvelle for picking him, he seemed to have it all. His early years he was much like D. McNabb, but obviously his game never evolved.

I'd take him in a heartbeat. Many people criticize him (including myself) for picking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush as the 1st overall pick, it seems that he made the right choice. Charley is a sharp GM and would be night and day over VC.