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Gmanc711 09-19-2004, 11:07 PM Ax this bum before he loses any more trade value!
You know what, this is getting rediculous. Lets blame everything on Ramsey. Washington Redskins are 2-0, Patrick Ramsey is 0-1. I mean give me a break, the kid had our offense moving a hell of alot better than Brunell did today. He made some retarded throws, yeah, but Brunell made some bad throws should we get rid of him? Coles droped a pass, should we cut him. 2 FUMBLES BY PORTIS, JESUS H GET HIM ON THE TRADING BLOCK!!! I mean seriously. " Ax this bum "??? Are you kidding me??
That Guy 09-19-2004, 11:11 PM i think gibbs may need to update a bit for portis and more variation... no slants, no screens, not enough bootlegs or rollouts... somewhat predictable...
That Guy 09-19-2004, 11:18 PM i agree with gmac... brunells turnovers were more costly.
right now it's:
brunell - 1 TD, 2 TOs, 92 yards.... TOs lead to 10 points
portis - 1 TD, 2 TOs, 98 yards... TOs lead to 7 points
ramsey - 1 TD, 3 TOs, 142 yards... TOs lead to 0 points
which one is really worse? brunell couldnt move the ball downfield, making his TOs WORSE, though towards the end, NY wasn't really scrambling to get down field...
in fact all three of ramsey's ints were at the NYG 10 yard line or further back (10, 9, and 0)... driving 90 yards is harder than 30-40, ramsey's arm still helps.
That Guy 09-19-2004, 11:23 PM ramsey still doesn't throw it away when he should and telegraphs plays, but out of the three I think he's the least responsible for losing the game.
JWsleep 09-19-2004, 11:23 PM I don't know... Look, they all sucked. But TOs in the red zone will kill you every time. Ah, whatever... Heres the solution: DON'T TURN THE FRIGGIN BALL OVER!
As for updating the plays, rest assured that Gibbs will adapt to make things work. ANd if they don't turn it over seven times, I don't think we'd feel quite so bad about the offense. The offense moved the football well, especially in the second half. The main variable is QB play. Until that gets going, no offense we run is going to look good.
SkinsRock 09-20-2004, 01:21 PM Ramsey looked like a young QB trying to win the game. Not saying he's on their level, but all great QB's throw a lot of INT's, especially early in their careers. The loss was a collective effort (for the offense, that is).
Gardner needs to be benched and McCants (or Jacobs) needs to be given the chance to prove himself.
Gregg Williams is the man. The D will only get better the more they play get used to each other...and Taylor learns how to play in the NFL. They almost won this game despite the turnovers by stopping the giants and keeping us in it.
Can one loss be the modern equivalent of five? I think maybe so. Gibbs lost his first 5 his first go 'round, then made adjustments and went 8-3 the rest of the season (not to mention the SB the following year). I think these first couple games are giving him a feel for what his players really can and cannot do. He will adjust accordingly and I think by mid-season, they will look like a different team offensively. Hopefully this begins a week from today!!!
backrow 09-20-2004, 02:01 PM Perhaps if we can have the NFL allow the helmet headphones to stay on and Brunell could tell Ramsey the read and where to throw the ball...
Brunells head with Rams arm!
CrazyCanuck 09-20-2004, 06:26 PM Yesterday's loss was so ugly I'm just getting over it. Not to mention that Dolphins-Bengals game put me into a coma. Anyways I finally feel refreshed and here are my thoughts on yesterday:
- Coles - first time I EVER remember Coles dropping a pass, which says it all. Nothing bad to say to my favorite Skin.
- Ramsey - First pick shoulda never happened but still a poor decision. The second pick was partly Coles' fault but still a forced throw. The third pick was just plain ugly. Despite Ramsey's struggles he still moved the offense MUCH better than Brunell. Plus we were in pass mode with no time for help from the running game. Let me ask you this - if the game went to overtime and Brunell came back healthy who would you have wanted in there? Neither choice was too appealing but personally I'd rather have seen Ramsey. I'm a huge Ramsey fan and yesterday didn't change that. I will concede though that PR will never start until he can make better decisions.
- Brunell - far from the calming influence I was hoping for. Some poor decisions and nothing generated downfield. The playcalling was partly to blame and the OL didn't do much to help either, but still a very unimpressive effort.
- Samuels - thanks for the crucial penalty and the $9M cap hit.
- Gardner - where to start? I'm one of RG's only supporters. I've said before I think Gardner can be HUGE in Gibbs' offense. The first 2 weeks have proven that. Of course, he needs to catch the f#%#$#@% ball!!!! How can he make that 50yd circus catch then drop the one in the endzone??? It's mindboggling. What's 50/50 mean anyways? If it's because he catches only 50% of the passes then I suggest it be changed to 25/75. Anyways I will continue to stick by Rod a little longer, but not sure that Gibbs and the Warpath will.
- Portis - I love this guy. Let me be the first to congratulate CP on 3 MONSTER blocks. I was amazed. Also, he's proving to be a very dangerous threat as a receiver. I'd like to see them bust him outside more and run a few more screens. There's no point for Portis to grind out those 2-3 yd gains up the middle when we're just pounding and killing clock. Let's get Betts more involved on those. That being said, the fumble on our 15yd line was inexcusable, especially against that team. I think that was the biggest mistake we made all day (there were MANY to choose from). But I'll let it slide, this time.
- Thrash - Don't worry JT, I did notice you were the one who stripped the ball on their fumble. Great job and it's good to have you back on ST. By the way you might be starting at WR soon.
- Defense - another solid outing. I really like Williams' blitzing schemes. I can't wait to see who he's brining next. The only bad call I saw all day was on that key 3rd down late in the game. He brought Springs but not enough else. Still waiting to see how we look against a real offense but so far this unit has been the brightest spot on this team. PS - Keep bringing Bowen, cuz he's a coverage timebomb.
- Cooley - So far I really like what I see. I hope he can keep it up. This was a better draft pick than Taylor (just kidding).
- Gibbs - hard to blame the coaches for 7 turnovers especially from the stars. My only complaint is I'd like to see the Skins more aggressive downfield early. There's no rule that says we can't build a 14 or 21 point lead. Then again I've been lodging the same complaint since 1982 so I hope coach Gibbs never listens to me.
- Summary - despite the UGLY way we lost yesterday I still have very high hopes for this team. I do see a playoff caliber team with many offensive weapons and a defense that seems to be on the right page. Hopefully this loss will be a blessing in disguise. I hope I don't see 7 turnovers total the rest of the season. Also keep in mind these are the sh$%#$%#y Giants. They ALWAYS bring their opponents down to their level. Does that 7-7 tie bring back any memories? I can't remember one single Giants game where the Skins actually played well. So boys and girls keep your heads up and keep looking forward. :grouphug:
WE WANT DALLAS!
GO SKINS
sportscurmudgeon 09-20-2004, 09:33 PM illdefined:
Why not depend on the defense to score. The Giants' defense scored. And the Giants' defense is hardly one of the "elite units: in the league.
In the 4th quarter, we needed a stone cold stop. We had them in third and about 7 or eight. Oops. First down. Clock runs...
The defense played a whole lot better than the offense yesterday. But they were not world beaters.
Reality bites. But that does not change things...
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