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hooskins 03-18-2009, 06:30 PM Wow
Fed to buy up to $300B long-term Treasury bonds: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090318/fed_interest_rates.html)
saden1 03-18-2009, 06:43 PM Quantitative Easing.
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All credit goes to 70Chip.
Trample the Elderly 03-18-2009, 11:42 PM I assume you think this is a logical decision Saden. I give up. It's not like it matters really, not to mention that it's illegal. That doesn't matter either. If you can't pick where you're going to go you might as well enjoy the ride.
Seriously, I work for a bank and we lend all day long. We have so many good loans that our underwritting department is backed up for about a month. We're understaffed and no one is in any danger of losing their jobs. I had to turn down a million dollar loan today for a condo in New York City. It wasn't good enough.
It isn't our fault that too many backs thought that SISA 3/1 ARM IO Non-owner vacation property with piggy backs were good loans to make to any Tom, Dick, and Harry that came off the street.
But hey, life is short and this is only business. So f it. I'm waiting for this guy to start running the Fed or Treasury.
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70Chip 03-19-2009, 12:22 AM My favorite scene is this one. Sellers as the Adlai Stevensonesque Merkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin) Muffly:
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So perfect. "Listen...If it wasn't friendly ...you probably wouldn't have even got it."
saden1 03-19-2009, 01:15 AM I assume you think this is a logical decision Saden. I give up. It's not like it matters really, not to mention that it's illegal. That doesn't matter either. If you can't pick where you're going to go you might as well enjoy the ride.
Seriously, I work for a bank and we lend all day long. We have so many good loans that our underwritting department is backed up for about a month. We're understaffed and no one is in any danger of losing their jobs. I had to turn down a million dollar loan today for a condo in New York City. It wasn't good enough.
It isn't our fault that too many backs thought that SISA 3/1 ARM IO Non-owner vacation property with piggy backs were good loans to make to any Tom, Dick, and Harry that came off the street.
But hey, life is short and this is only business. So f it. I'm waiting for this guy to start running the Fed or Treasury.
You know what really bothers me? The fact that you work for a bank and you don't appreciate the scope of the problem. You cite working at a bank as a virtue but in the context of your views it really isn't.
Quantitative easing is a well know monetary tool. In your world it's always bad, in my world it can be good or bad depending on situation and how it is used.
You fail to appreciate the catch-22 situation we're in. All of this is not being done in jest, it's so we don't lose more jobs and business. In my world no easing means inability to lend money, inability to lend money results in more business tightening thier belts, more belt tightening means more layoffs, higher unemployment means higher default.
Can your bank handle 20% of its customers losing their jobs? For how long? Tell you what, we can even do the math but if I had to guess it wouldn't without a bailout. In my world I realize that it's not just about giving good loans, it's how employed we are.
The only reason why your bank is in business is because it's backed by the Full Faith and Credit of the United States Government. Period. In my world I am cognizant that your bank didn't pay any FDIC insurance premium between 1996-2006 and was therefore sucking on taxpayer tit.
My world doesn't consist of living in a cave pretending government inaction will yield positive results. I will defer to economists who don't think statistics are useless.
Finally, my world is not based on superficial knowledge of what America is and has always been, and how and why it got to where it is today.
70Chip 03-19-2009, 02:47 AM Bernanke seems convinced he knows what he's doing. I hope so because he's printing money like a 3rd world dictator on crystal meth. There are possible downsides. Inflation, hyper-inflation, stagnation, stagflation, deflation, lack of job creation, depreciation, investment cessation, stock-market gyrations, an influx of Haitians, trouble at the United Nations, exploitation, signing bonus pro-rations, rotting foundations, strange combinations, unholy federations, bad vibrations, widespread starvation, 70Chip's sedation, spiraling taxation, increasing privation, a 4 man rotation, increasing lactation fascination, bankrupt corporations, sexual frustrations at the lack of penetrations or poor lubrications, god damnation, artificial insemination, cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, and institutionalization.
saden1 03-19-2009, 04:34 AM Our current problem is a liquidity trap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidity_trap) and deflation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation). I very much doubt a ~15 trillion GDP economy with ~2.7 trillion in receipts and ~100% debt to GDP ratio will suffer inflation as easily as some would have you believe. Sure, it's possible but there would have be serious negligence and gross miscalculation for that to happen (i.e. we print a multiplier of our national debt).
p.s. What monetary tool do you think the government uses to combat inflation? If you guessed tighten money supply you would be correct.
GTripp0012 03-19-2009, 10:04 AM Bernanke seems convinced he knows what he's doing. I hope so because he's printing money like a 3rd world dictator on crystal meth. There are possible downsides. Inflation, hyper-inflation, stagnation, stagflation, deflation, lack of job creation, depreciation, investment cessation, stock-market gyrations, an influx of Haitians, trouble at the United Nations, exploitation, signing bonus pro-rations, rotting foundations, strange combinations, unholy federations, bad vibrations, widespread starvation, 70Chip's sedation, spiraling taxation, increasing privation, a 4 man rotation, increasing lactation fascination, bankrupt corporations, sexual frustrations at the lack of penetrations or poor lubrications, god damnation, artificial insemination, cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, and institutionalization.I happen to be supportive of a 4-man rotation.
firstdown 03-19-2009, 11:09 AM You know what really bothers me? The fact that you work for a bank and you don't appreciate the scope of the problem. You cite working at a bank as a virtue but in the context of your views it really isn't.
Quantitative easing is a well know monetary tool. In your world it's always bad, in my world it can be good or bad depending on situation and how it is used.
You fail to appreciate the catch-22 situation we're in. All of this is not being done in jest, it's so we don't lose more jobs and business. In my world no easy means inability to lend money, inability to lend money results in more business tightening thier belts, more belt tightening means more layoffs, higher unemployment means higher default.
Can your bank handle 20% of its customers losing their jobs? For how long? Tell you what, we can even do the math but if I had to guess it wouldn't without a bailout. In my world I realize that it's not just about giving good loans, it's how employed we are.
The only reason why your bank is in business is because it's backed by the Full Faith and Credit of the United States Government. Period. In my world I am cognizant that your bank didn't pay any FDIC insurance premium between 1996-2006 and was therefore sucking on taxpayer tit.
My world doesn't consist of living in a cave pretending government inaction will yield positive results. I will defer to economists who don't think statistics are useless.
Finally, my world is not based on superficial knowledge of what America is and has always been, and how and why it got to where it is today.
The reason my bank is in business is because they did not go out and loan money to everyone who asked for a loan. Thats called ggod business and if the goverment stayed out of the loan process from the get go we not be in this mess like we are now. Its a fact that some people should just rent because they either do not pay their bills or they cannot afford the cost of a home. In just the past two weeks I called my bank and got two loans because I have good credit and pay my bills.
firstdown 03-19-2009, 11:18 AM Our current problem is a liquidity trap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidity_trap) and deflation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation). I very much doubt a ~15 trillion GDP economy with ~2.7 trillion in receipts and ~100% debt to GDP ratio will suffer inflation as easily as some would have you believe. Sure, it's possible but there would have be serious negligence and gross miscalculation for that to happen (i.e. we print a multiplier of our national debt).
p.s. What monetary tool do you think the government uses to combat inflation? If you guessed tighten money supply you would be correct.
"serious negligence and gross miscalculation " How about bailout money and AIG
Economists disappointed with Obama, Geithner - BloggingStocks (http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/03/12/economists-disappointed-with-obama-geithner/)
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