Per Vinny Cerrato, JC is our QB this season!

Also, Ron Jaworski at the time vs. BHA revisionist history is one battle where Jaws has pretty heavy odds in favor.

I realy hate to put it like this, but Campbell sssucks!!!!I really don't mind putting it like this, but I know you're wrong.

(I'm going to regret wasting the 10 seconds it took to respond to this later tonight when my term paper is not finished.)

On this level I've gotta admit a level of admiration for BHA, he doesn't mind verbally sparring with the bullies who are kicking him senseless while he's already down, metaphorically speaking.

Sorry if i missed your responses in the other thread, getting to your bottom line statement -

Campbell was NOT playing at a pro-bowl level early on in the season. All that talk was ridiculous at the time, especially him being talked about as MVP of the league, let alone the team. All campbell did in the first few games was just not throw interceptions... something which was primarily a result Zorn not letting him throw much and really giving him an elementary form of the offense to run. Obviously, when Zorn opened things up some, Campbell was asked to do more... and we all know how the last 8 games went. We did so well in the first half of the season because Campbell wasnt doing much and we were relying on Clinton Portis. As the season wore on, our line declined and so did Clinton. Zorn tried to open things up, he put more on Campbells shoulders, and Campbell couldnt handle it.

John Clayton on Jason Campbell (early in the season): (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&page=hotread8/clayton)
The Redskins, improved because Jason Campbell is having a season similar to David Garrard of the Jaguars last year, have only three home games left, all in the NFC East. Campbell and first-year coach Jim Zorn were a little lost in the regular-season opener against the Giants, a 16-7 loss. If the Zorn-Campbell alliance gets hot against the Giants, the Redskins have a chance to capture the NFC East title.

Again, Clayton on Campbell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3644419) early in the season....
Yes, Campbell is the answer. He showed leadership in 2007 in setting up a playoff run. He's matured into an efficient quarterback this season who is only getting better.

And of course there's what Jaworski was saying about him (http://search.espn.go.com/jason-campbell/audio/7) early in the season...
Jaws previews Cowboys-Giants, Colts-Patriots and Titans-Packers and says Jason Campbell is the MVP of the league

I think Jaws and Clayton are pretty respected sources.

If, 20 starts into a guys career, despite drafting absolutely zero offensive talent (save Campbell himself) since 2004, ANYONE in the organization is questioning his leadership skills, then that's a problem with the organization, not with Campbell.

And I'll just point this out quickly, Joe Gibbs didn't get where he was as a coach by giving up on a 25 year old promising QB for a 36 year old with fewer good games in 12 years in the league than the 25 year old has in 20 starts.

Huh..? Now it's the organization's fault for questioning his leadership skills? well if so they do pay the bills and how would you know what they question? Maybe even though your in MI you have some inside track? I don't know who is questioning his leadership skills maybe you do..? But as it appears they are certainly questioning his get it done skills, just like I am. Last year of the contract,right. No extension,right. Usually a pretty good reason for that...right. Coach's and staff for the team know and see what is really going on with a player.

Let me remind you. In case it was before your time. Joe Gibbs WON ALL THREE super bowls Coaching the Washington Redskins with Veteran QB's, all in there 30's. Joe put the best QB in the pocket that he thought would give him the best results. Pretty GREAT results, huh...Hall of Fame. Not bad.

John Clayton on Jason Campbell (early in the season): (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&page=hotread8/clayton)


Again, Clayton on Campbell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3644419) early in the season....


And of course there's what Jaworski was saying about him (http://search.espn.go.com/jason-campbell/audio/7) early in the season...


I think Jaws and Clayton are pretty respected sources.

and they were wrong. Mark Brunell looked like the best QB of all time against Dallas when we had that incredible comeback and during the game against the texans when he set the record for completions... but those were just individual games. You cant judge a QB by one game and you cant judge Campbell by 8. All the Campbell apologists focus on the first 8 games and ignore the last 8...

ask any of those "pretty respected sources" if they still feel "Campbell is the answer" now. I garauntee they would give you a different answer... one that would range anywhere from "undetermined" to "no." If Campbell really was the undisputed answer, then he'd have a new contract already. He doesnt. He was not the MVP of the league. He was not the MVP of the team. He did not go to the pro-bowl. He wasnt an alternate. Hes not on anyones list as one of the top QBs in the league. No respected sources are expecting him to become one this year. Fans HOPE he is... but no one who doest drink burgundy and gold koolaid is expecting it. Everyone else is doubting and watching with curiosity at most. The only real support Campbell gets is from the Washington Post... and I wouldnt be surprised if theyre doing that just to get under Cerratos skin. That should tell us something.

This thread makes me so pissed I could kick a puppy... to read arguments that JC has an above average line and solid WR corp to work w/ is beyond the pale. He had a very good run-blocking line and a Pro-Bowl RB for 8 games. After that most games looked like the '08 SB... NY's front seven smashing Brady into the turf. The difference... Campbell doesn't complain, but don't be a foolish, the results are nearly the same. QBs who get no time to throw and take a pounding every week (38 sacks on the season and most came in the last 8 games) don't go to the Pro-Bowl.

Huh..? Now it's the organization's fault for questioning his leadership skills? well if so they do pay the bills and how would you know what they question? Maybe even though your in MI you have some inside track? I don't know who is questioning his leadership skills maybe you do..? But as it appears they are certainly questioning his get it done skills, just like I am. Last year of the contract,right. No extension,right. Usually a pretty good reason for that...right. Coach's and staff for the team know and see what is really going on with a player.

Let me remind you. In case it was before your time. Joe Gibbs WON ALL THREE super bowls Coaching the Washington Redskins with Veteran QB's, all in there 30's. Joe put the best QB in the pocket that he thought would give him the best results. Pretty GREAT results, huh...Hall of Fame. Not bad.We have a salary cap this year? It's not like there's a rush or anything. We have a franchise tag.

Sorry to have outed you as a Campbell detractor, though. Since you had a really clever disguise going under neutrality.

On this level I've gotta admit a level of admiration for BHA, he doesn't mind verbally sparring with the bullies who are kicking him senseless while he's already down, metaphorically speaking.

I dont know what factual evidence i can provide that i havent already. I dont use circular logic. I have an opinion, based on facts. You have an opinion, also based on facts. Which facts we chose to use to support our arguments reinforces our existing beliefs. You reject the arguments I make, exaggerate my position to the extreme to make it look foolish and ive taken similar approaches myself.

I would like nothing more than to be wrong about Campbell, because it would mean:

1) Cerrato and Snyder knew what they were doing when they paired the Square peg and round hole... therefore the franchise is in more capeable hands than we thought.

2) We wont need to go shopping for a QB in 2010 when the market will be thin and we'll be crammed for cap space (Roger Godell thinks the CBA will be extended before 2010).

3) We can probably afford to trade Brennan for picks in 2011.

4) We'll have some freakin' stability at the position for the first time since i cant even remember.

5) Zorn will stay, meaning we wont need to continue the constant merry-go-round coaching turnover that happens every few years... the entire franchise can be stable again.

And all that would be nice... but im just not drinkin the koolaid.

and they were wrong. Mark Brunell looked like the best QB of all time against Dallas when we had that incredible comeback and during the game against the texans when he set the record for completions... but those were just individual games. You cant judge a QB by one game and you cant judge Campbell by 8. All the Campbell apologists focus on the first 8 games and ignore the last 8...UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

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Just give it up. I enjoy back and fourth as much as the next guy, but until you take back statements like Cutler for Campbell + 1st rounder is a steal, the quality of the conversation is just going to devolve.

I may or may not be jumping out of this thread now for good, but it's my personal feeling that the Cutler dialouge has run it's course here. I'd just lock it down/send it to thread hell.