Holt released by Rams

Really? In their first year?
15 actually.

Beat me to it

Ok, for those of you who don't want Holt, may I ask the reason?No player in the NFL has declined more since 2006 than Torry Holt. Not one player.

He's just not very good.

Maybe Warner lobbies AZ to sign Holt , They then trade Boldin ?

I don't see the comparison to Thrash. JT is a role player and a special teams guy. He's a #4 type of WR at this point. If you bring in Holt he's a #2. Different players, different roles, different situations altogether.

Holt is not the same guy he was just a few years ago. He's definitely lost a step. We have other needs to fill.

No player in the NFL has declined more since 2006 than Torry Holt. Not one player.

He's just not very good.

Holt:

06: 93 REC, 1,188 YRDS, 12.8 AVG, and 10 TD's.
07: 93 REC, 1,189 YRDS, 12.8 AVG, and 7 TD's.
08: 64 REC, 796 YRDS, 12.4 AVG, and 3 TD's.

Holt Averages 12 to 14 YRDS per catch since his rookie yr. He has 1,000 yrds for every yr except his rookie and last yr. I doubt seriously his drop off last yr would constitute being on the decline and I find it hard to believe anyone would say he's just not any good when he produces 1,000 yrds, 12 AVG and 7-10 more TD's then Thrash, ARE, Kelly, and Thomas.

Moss has had only three 1,000 yrd season's since his rookie yr. About 12 to 15 yrds avg. and 6 td's on avg. I guess Moss is just not very good either.

Holt peaked though back in 2003. He was still a major part of the offense through 2007, as the receptions and yards show, but his last real, serious pro bowl caliber year was 2004 (his YPC dropped 1.5 yards the next year). That's a really long time ago.

Given, the offense has been in decline since about that point, but let's not ignore the effect that Holt's personal decline has had on that. The Rams were running most of their offense through a borderline No. 1 receiver who once was a fantastic and dynamic weapon for three years. That might have been part of the decline.

Before you go there, I realize that his 2005 season (102 catches for 1331 yards) is absolutely pro-bowl type numbers, but the decline in TD rate and YPC are more worrisome at that point then the fact that the Rams offense was still treating him like an elite target at that point.

But the bigger point is this: the Rams didn't even treat him as a go-to receiver last year in an anemic offense. He's just not a threat to defenses. Period. That's how and why he's declined so far in such a short time. Even as his peripherals were declining, teams treated him as a top target through 2007. But last year, not even remotely so. Carlos Rogers just knocked his ass all over the place when we played them. He was so awful.

Moss has already peaked as well. He actually is a pretty good Holt comparable. He's likely to fall off the point at which we can consider him a starting caliber receiver within a year or two. For 2009 though, Moss figures to be a borderline No. 1, probably more of a No. 2. But like Holt, Moss' last season with strong peripherals was 2006, and he's been significantly less effective the last two seasons.

Holt, at this point, is no longer go-to-receiver material. Basically, you can put him with all the other interchangeable "system" guys (like Randle El). So does Holt fit in our system? Probably not, considering he's never played in anything like the WCO in his career, but I could be wrong here.

The faster Kelly can develop and take the No. 1 target mantle from Moss, the better. If he doesn't by 2010, we're kinda screwed.

I don't even know why I'm argueing the case. I really don't care if we sign him or not. I was simply trying to point out that he's not as bad as some have mentioned and that ...

Although he is no longer #1 material (which I know), he's still better then Thrash and would bring more to the table as a WR then Thrash. Yes, Thrash does bring more to the table as a special teamer but not as a WR for which he was brought back to do. My only complaint was that we have a WR who's not being utilized do to production and instead using him on special teams only. In other words he's taking a roster spot in an area of need and they are not using him in the WR capacity (hardly). If we have other people on the roster that can do the special team part better ie; Horton, Thomas, then let Thrash go and pick up another Vet WR who can be used in case Kelly and Thomas don't break out this yr either.

I was not only picking on Thrash though either....I said let Rock go also. I for one can not figure out why the team would keep him. He's not that great at being a RB and never has been. He takes one step forward and two back. He dances around in the back field trying to avoid contact and get taken down all the time. Then once a game he breaks a 40-50 yarder. ooooh aaaaah. That's not impressive. That's mediocre. Portis is impressive. Portis slams the ball down field, runs N/S.

Someone brought up Betts. Betts atleast runs N/S. That's why he filled in admirably. But he's definitly not the same caliber as Portis either. If it came to Betts or Rock I'd let Rock go. Use Betts to KR/PR, he has done it in the past. Or get rid of both and groom two new guys for when Portis starts falling off.

I guess I'm just argueing the same old BS that comes up every yr in different threads. Trade Rock/Betts. Let Rock go. Let Betts go. and yet we keep Thrash who is not special other then the fact he is not bad on special teams, and others replaced him in those duties last yr. or rather beat him to the tackle.

Again I sound like it's a big issue but truly I don't care. Like him, hate him. It doesn't even have to be him. I would just like to see the team bring in a proven WR in case the two new guys don't step it up, which I'm worried about cause I have little faith in Hixon.

For the people comparing Thrash to Holt is irrelevant and stupid. Thrash has always been a #4 and Holt has been a 1-2. The bottom line is Holt is declining and if he wasn't the Rams wouldn't released him. That tells you enough when the Rams release someone, and for the people who say he was released to save cap room that's BS. Holt is not the #1 receiver he once was, which is why they released him.

For the people comparing Thrash to Holt is irrelevant and stupid. Thrash has always been a #4 and Holt has been a 1-2. The bottom line is Holt is declining and if he wasn't the Rams wouldn't released him. That tells you enough when the Rams release someone, and for the people who say he was released to save cap room that's BS. Holt is not the #1 receiver he once was, which is why they released him.

Yes, it's stupid. but when your trying to upgrade why not look to see if you could possibly upgrade across the board to make your team better.

It was very apparent by the opposing comments that Holt is:

1. Better then Thrash.
2. Better then ARE.
3. Better then Kelly and Thomas.
4. Would upgrade this offense.
5. Too old.
6. On the decline.
7. and people would rather stay mediocre and develope Kelly and Thomas instead of having a proven WR to help this team if Kelly and Thomas don't step up this yr again.

No hard feelings. I'm not bedding the dude or anything so I don't care if we pick him up or not. I was simply trying to point out he would upgrade us. As far as trading out Thrash? Who in there right mind would keep him when he had only 1 TD (very productive) and old versus a Holt who usually has 1,000 yrd and has 12yrd avg each yr, and usually no less then 7 TD's? but I was totally wrong. We should keep Thrash. Maybe it will force Kelly and Thomas to step up, hopefully, but this would be my last yr with Hixon if I were the team if he and they not productive.