Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13

Reps are worthless as a combine tool though, because blocking is all footwork, balance and hand placement anyway.

We look at nineteen reps and say "whoa, he's not nearly as strong as other guys" but anyone who can put up 225 12 times or more is plenty strong to play in the NFL. He's still in the top 0.3% of males at his age, obviously.

If he does fail in the NFL, it will be for other reasons. Perhaps his relative bench totals and 40 time are indicative of a bigger problem, but there's no correlation between combine (or pro day) bench reps and NFL success anyway, so I'd say the kids stock probably shouldn't fall any because of this.

If anything, this validates his story at the combine about not wanting to work out, and was probably a good business decision in the long run. Had he put up a 14 spot at the combine, he might have dropped out of the first round. Now, he's still going to be the third or fourth tackle taken.

Of course, reason #1 why the draft process is good: some team would have taken this guy with the first or second overall pick after the season ended.

Exactly. Sean Taylore only did like 8 or 9 reps. Jared All did 11 or 12.
The bench pressing means nothing. But I'd leave the guy alone. I saw him on NFL Newotrk last night and he looked like a total fat out of shape sack of poop.

How do you figure Rey is a safer pick than Mack?

53 i only mean safer as a guy who would start immediately at a position of need for us. like i said before it's just really hard to imagine Buges inserting a rookie before Rabach on the depth chart... buges goes on and on about Rabach for one thing.

Personally I think we'll have DE pretty well set by the time of the draft, which leaves RT and OLB as the biggest problems. There's not much for starting, impact-player talent at OLB in the FA, while I think there will be at OT in the long run. I think the FO almost has to take a LB w/ our first pick, just guessing here, and after Curry Rey is the most talented.

53 i only mean safer as a guy who would start immediately at a position of need for us. like i said before it's just really hard to imagine Buges inserting a rookie before Rabach on the depth chart... buges goes on and on about Rabach for one thing.

Personally I think we'll have DE pretty well set by the time of the draft, which leaves RT and OLB as the biggest problems. There's not much for starting, impact-player talent at OLB in the FA, while I think there will be at OT in the long run. I think the FO almost has to take a LB w/ our first pick, just guessing here, and after Curry Rey is the most talented.Don't think that it would be Bugel's decision, I think if Mack was a pick for us in the first round, Rabach would be released the next day.

Don't think that it would be Bugel's decision, I think if Mack was a pick for us in the first round, Rabach would be released the next day.

If that is the case then great, sign Mack, but not @ 13. Personally I'd be surprised if the FO would put all their eggs in the rookie basket when it comes to center... but what do I know.

If that is the case then great, sign Mack, but not @ 13. Personally I'd be surprised if the FO would put all their eggs in the rookie basket when it comes to center... but what do I know.Well, it's less risky then putting all their eggs in Rabach's basket, but they'll probably split the difference and pick up a center in the third round while Rabach starts the season.

Fat Boy Smith is a very good college football player, but I would prefer that we don't draft someone who has possible character and motivation issues. Is that too much to ask for?

Fat Boy Smith is a very good college football player, but I would prefer that we don't draft someone who has possible character and motivation issues. Is that too much to ask for?

@ 13 it's not too much to ask for. Probably should even be demanded.

i really want to like herman johnson, i mean hes a huge dude. the video of him pushing around app state doesnt do much for me though. any one want to come to his defense? i really want to be impressed with him, as he would be very likely available.

Fat Boy Smith is a very good college football player, but I would prefer that we don't draft someone who has possible character and motivation issues. Is that too much to ask for?

Personally, I don't think it's about his character or about getting motivated. With his character, there's not many "bad things" that I've heard he does. About his motivation- I think whatever type of work you do in practice - shows up on gameday (bad work ethnic-bad gameday performance, good work ethnic-good gameday performance). From what I've seen from him, he's had great performances on gameday, so...

I think the real issue is that he is not mature enough (for whatever reason) to be able to handle of all of this right now. And not in the getting-drunk-all-night-and-partying type of immature. More of a deer-in-the-headlights-I-don't-know-what's-going-on type of immaturity. And as a result, he's made a few bad decisions that have been magnified and snowballed in the public media.

I think he's worth the 13th pick, but he would need some better guidance and mentoring to really excel.

I personally doubt he'll be there at 13 anyway.