How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?

calm down with the language

40 catches each huh? And how many for Moss, Randle El, and Cooley?


You worried they can't catch 40 passes? Have I set the bar too high? Are you worried they can't get on the field ahead of Moss and Randle-El? Then why did we draft them? Hell they can't get on the field ahead of Thrash.

And sorry about the language I was paraphrasing a character from a film. I figured that if Alec Baldwin can say it, it must be okay.

You worried they can't catch 40 passes? Have I set the bar too high? Are you worried they can't get on the field ahead of Moss and Randle-El? Then why did we draft them? Hell they can't get on the field ahead of Thrash.

And sorry about the language I was paraphrasing a character from a film. I figured that if Alec Baldwin can say it, it must be okay.

I don't know the actual numbers but how often do the #3 and #4 receivers each get 40 catches. (I'm working under the assumption that Moss and Cooley are essentially 1 and 2)

I don't know the actual numbers but how often do the #3 and #4 receivers each get 40 catches. (I'm working under the assumption that Moss and Cooley are essentially 1 and 2)

This is what I don't get. Why did we spend two high draft picks on #3 and #4 receivers? We already had #3 and #4 receivers. With their size and athleticism, one of them should be the #1 receiver. When they chosen, I don't remember anyone saying, "Good. We finally have those #3 and #4 receivers, we've been wanting". No. The talk was all about how Santana would handle being demoted.

I don't know the actual numbers but how often do the #3 and #4 receivers each get 40 catches. (I'm working under the assumption that Moss and Cooley are essentially 1 and 2)

From his comments i think the point is kelly and thomas should be passing thrash and randel in the depth chart. So by seasons end if these guys arent the 2nd and 3rd option something is wrong. Them maturing and campbell being in the second year of the same offense we can expect those numbers.

moss 60 cooley 80 - that's only 140 between them. if el gets 60 and kelley/thomas get 40 each, that's 280 completions... hopefully one or both displace el though, cause he's not a good #2.

if one moves to #2 then it should be easy to do, since el will have to give up catches from the above example. we'll see though.

I don't know the actual numbers but how often do the #3 and #4 receivers each get 40 catches. (I'm working under the assumption that Moss and Cooley are essentially 1 and 2)

So where would Randle El fit in? I don't think anyone should expect Moss, Cooley, Thomas, Kelly, and Randle El to all be real contributors. Moss and Cooley of course. The other three? We shall see. Don't forget Zorn has repeatedly said he really wants to get Fred Davis involved too.

So where would Randle El fit in? I don't think anyone should expect Moss, Cooley, Thomas, Kelly, and Randle El to all be real contributors. Moss and Cooley of course. The other three? We shall see. Don't forget Zorn has repeatedly said he really wants to get Fred Davis involved too.

Thats kind of the point, Randel El will no longer be used if the young guys improve. If only Moss could return all the punts too...

So where would Randle El fit in? I don't think anyone should expect Moss, Cooley, Thomas, Kelly, and Randle El to all be real contributors. Moss and Cooley of course. The other three? We shall see. Don't forget Zorn has repeatedly said he really wants to get Fred Davis involved too.

Does anyone else realize that Randle-El set a career high in receptions and TD last year? We're going to see a drop in his production but he's not going to fall to 20 catches while Thomas, Kelly and Davis spring to 40 catches each.

I know that's not what you were saying but since you brought up ARE I thought this was an appropriate spot to point that out.

It's kind of REDECULES to even discuss at this point, but you've got to give them their rookie contract duration. I posted something similar to this right after the end of the season but would you advocate cutting players that posted 1st season stats that were as follows?

10 catches, 154 yards, 0 TD
29 catches, 446 yards, 3 TD
20 catches, 309 yards, 2 TD
3 catches, 59 yards, 0 TD
35 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD
2 catches, 40 yards, 0 TD
14 catches, 186 yards, 0 TD
3 catches, 31 yards, 1 TD

If so, then you just released Steve Smith, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Terrell Owens, Santana Moss, Derrick Mason and Donald Driver. That would be more than 1/3 of the top 15 WR in the league (statistically) from last year and 8 of the top 20. Even Vinny ain't that dumb.

Excellent job with these stats.

To answer the question, "To cut or not to cut," one must ask "why?" regarding production. If Kelly and Thomas are still developing, then you need to keep 'em until after 2010 at least. Many wide receivers don't really develop until their 3rd year, including folks on the list above. It would be a waste not to give them that kind of patience.

Then again, if the problem is with knees that just don't seem to get better - like possibly Kelly - then that is a problem which patience won't fix. The good news here was reported earlier in this thread - that Kelly's knees, for now, are holding up.

Thats kind of the point, Randel El will no longer be used if the young guys improve. If only Moss could return all the punts too...

Keep in mind that Randle El restructured his contract this past offseason along with Andre Carter.

He got a new signing bonus and a longer contract to lessen his number against the cap. That means management believes he'll be used in this offense for the next two or three years and not just for punts.