How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?

It's kind of REDECULES to even discuss at this point, but you've got to give them their rookie contract duration. I posted something similar to this right after the end of the season but would you advocate cutting players that posted 1st season stats that were as follows?

10 catches, 154 yards, 0 TD
29 catches, 446 yards, 3 TD
20 catches, 309 yards, 2 TD
3 catches, 59 yards, 0 TD
35 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD
2 catches, 40 yards, 0 TD
14 catches, 186 yards, 0 TD
3 catches, 31 yards, 1 TD

If so, then you just released Steve Smith, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Terrell Owens, Santana Moss, Derrick Mason and Donald Driver. That would be more than 1/3 of the top 15 WR in the league (statistically) from last year and 8 of the top 20. Even Vinny ain't that dumb.


Nice stats! How long did it take for you to dig those up? Kelly and Thomas will be here for at least through the end of their contract. Can't judge how a guy is going to turn out by a rookie season like you perfectly pointed out with these stats. If they don't cut the mustard just don't resign them. By that time they should be producing, so the issue will be moot hopefully. I just hope Kelly gets healthy and stays that way unlike Taylor Jacobs, a total waste of cap space.

Out of all the players on that list, only Santana Moss and Roddy White were drafted above the third round.

I think it's way too early to just throw in the towel on our second rounders, but you could and should say that the rookie years were a colossal disappointment, and that (for a diverse set of reasons), none of the players we drafted last year could handle being a fourth option in an NFL offense, which means their behind schedule.

Yeah, I agree with this. Also our offensive line has to improve to the point where we can specifically determine if Thomas or Kelly are the weak spots in our offense.

Out of all the players on that list, only Santana Moss and Roddy White were drafted above the third round.

I think it's way too early to just throw in the towel on our second rounders, but you could and should say that the rookie years were a colossal disappointment, and that (for a diverse set of reasons), none of the players we drafted last year could handle being a fourth option in an NFL offense, which means their behind schedule.

I agree man. Also, I'd like to know what the coaches and teammates were saying about those guys from the list, in regards to their work ethic.....for instance, I doubt that guys like Steve Smith and T.O. were ever known as slackers..... If Devin Thomas has a poor work ethic, why didn't we know this before we drafted him?

Nice stats! How long did it take for you to dig those up? Kelly and Thomas will be here for at least through the end of their contract. Can't judge how a guy is going to turn out by a rookie season like you perfectly pointed out with these stats. If they don't cut the mustard just don't resign them. By that time they should be producing, so the issue will be moot hopefully. I just hope Kelly gets healthy and stays that way unlike Taylor Jacobs, a total waste of cap space.

About 10 minutes sitting on a conference call while surfing NFL.com. That's the funny thing, people are so quick to complain about things without any realistic perspective. It took no time to gain some comparisons to successful vets and show that 1st year production means zip as a career predictor.

Sure they were a disappointment, but they were rookies, with a rookie head coach, rookie play caller and a QB without experience in the system, what the hell did people expect?

As to the comment about Michigan State WR, didn't Plaxico go there?

As to the comment about their draft status, when did draft position become commensurate to production? Since Marques Colston was a 7th rounder should that be the standard for all rookie WR?

Well if they have the same numbers as last year than there is a pretty good chance that Zorn is gone and they will be learning a new system. So all of us need significant production out of them.

I would think that combined they need to produce like a #1 receiver so approximately 1000-1200 yards and 10 tds should be doable.

I would also like Fred Davis to get some balls. He may be the most talented out of the 3.

The team needs to play to it's individual strengths also. If Thomas is nothing but a run straight down the field type of player then they need to utilize that. Send him on speed routes. I know Moss is currently doing that but teams will be baffled as to double teaming Moss and covering Thomas. Then use either Randel El or Kelly on other routes.

If it takes 2-3 yrs for a WR to develope and come into his own, which people are saying of two possible 1st rounders in Kelly and Thomas, then why didn't we keep some of the other WR's we had last yr to develope them? Heck I went on NFL.com and checked the WR's and I can only find McMullen who is available.

Good points sir... I think it's especially true of Devin cuz his athletic ability is off the charts but we need to find a way to get the ball in his hands. Getting both guys a ton of reps in pre-season is key too, but even then I think Zorn will have to be a little creative to get Devin the ball. It will be worth it. Also wrt Devin if he's not going to start at WR this year (and I doubt he will) he should be strongly, strongly considered for KR/PR IMO. Again we have to find a way to exploit his physical gifts.

I think Kelly is a simpler case. If his knee(s) hold up he will be productive for us this year no question about it.

The press doesnt own the redskins - daniel snyder does. The only person Cerrato and Zorn really need to please is him.

Perhaps. But, I think Vinny should be held accountable for these picks. Those three 2nd rounders represent the best accumulation of picks the Skins have had or will likely have for some time. Those picks could have made a huge difference. If he is seen to have ****ed the dog at that critical moment, he is going out.

If we are supppossed to sit around for the entire lengths of these contracts making excuses and saying, "This week will be the week...blah, blah, blah..." then count me out. I expect each to catch at least 40 passes THIS SEASON.

You can't play in the man's game. You can't catch them. Go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life. Get open and catch passes for First Downs and Touchdowns. You hear me you ****ing faggots. A, B, C. Always Be Catching. Always Be Catching.

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Perhaps. But, I think Vinny should be held accountable for these picks. Those three 2nd rounders represent the best accumulation of picks the Skins have had or will likely have for some time. Those picks could have made a huge difference. If he is seen to have ****ed the dog at that critical moment, he is going out.

If we are supppossed to sit around for the entire lengths of these contracts making excuses and saying, "This week will be the week...blah, blah, blah..." then count me out. I expect each to catch at least 40 passes THIS SEASON.

You can't play in the man's game. You can't catch them. Go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life. Get open and catch passes for First Downs and Touchdowns. You hear me you ****ing faggots. A, B, C. Always Be Catching. Always Be Catching.

40 catches each huh? And how many for Moss, Randle El, and Cooley?

Perhaps. But, I think Vinny should be held accountable for these picks. Those three 2nd rounders represent the best accumulation of picks the Skins have had or will likely have for some time. Those picks could have made a huge difference. If he is seen to have ****ed the dog at that critical moment, he is going out.

If we are supppossed to sit around for the entire lengths of these contracts making excuses and saying, "This week will be the week...blah, blah, blah..." then count me out. I expect each to catch at least 40 passes THIS SEASON.

You can't play in the man's game. You can't catch them. Go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life. Get open and catch passes for First Downs and Touchdowns. You hear me you ****ing faggots. A, B, C. Always Be Catching. Always Be Catching.

Nice Glengarry Glen Ross reference. Alec Baldwin is still the man.

4 games, and they both better have atleast one TD catch by then