How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?

You 100% sure on that?If I'm wrong, it's because I'm totally unaware of a technicality that would allow a voided contract to become eligible for the compensatory pick system. But that doesn't make sense to me.

More than possible, I suppose.

Agreed. Congrats on post # 500.

Thanks!

If I'm wrong, it's because I'm totally unaware of a technicality that would allow a voided contract to become eligible for the compensatory pick system. But that doesn't make sense to me.

More than possible, I suppose.

Intuitively, what you said makes sense. If you're wrong, it would be a rather strange "loophole." We didnt draft him. We didnt trade for him. We essentially cut him before his original contract expired because we didnt want him. Why should we get anything for his departure?

we didnt just get 3 guys in free agency - we got 3 STARTERS, and two of them are pro-bowlers. We also have resigned or tendered several players who were key contributors, if not starters, on our roster last year. You only look at the guys we brought in from outside and Hall - but you ignore that we resigned/tendered Albright, Doughty, Fincher, Montgommery, and Golston. We still may bring back Daniels and Washington. Free agency is not over.

As it stands right now, our 2009 starting roster is already signifcantly upgraded on both sides of the ball. And we still have the draft which includes the 13th overall pick in the draft. If we stay at 13, we've got another instant starter and possibly a pro-bowler. If we trade down, well use the pick on at least two players who have starting potential in 2009. Do we still have needs? yes. Will we still have needs even after the draft? Yes. But this is the same situation with every team in football. We are a better team now than we were last year and weve narrowed the gap between the talent on our team and the 2008 NFC-East champion Giants. I'm very happy about where our team is now in relation to where it was a year ago and anyone who thinks differently is going to have a hard time proving their case.

You say we have no draft picks, but we have 4 and will probably get a 7th round compensatory pick for losing Brunell last year.

Really, who is our starting Sam? Who are our starting offensive Tackles? Who is our starting RG if Thomas cannot bounce back? Who is going to start at RE?

Sure, we replaced our LG with Dockery, but that wasn't a concern. Kendall would have re signed and he wasn't the weak link last season.

OK, we kept Hall, but even if we couldn't have, we still had Springs. That was not a position of need.

Albert Haynesworth was the only player added to the roster that filled a specific need or made a position better.

We have more holes than we have draft picks. If you truly believe that most late, day 2, picks are nothing more than camp bodies, then you should realize that our four picks are not going to address half of the needs that we have.

I understand that FA isn't over, but not knowing what is going through the FO's mind scares the crap out of me. It makes me ask the question every day "Are they going to address these needs or are we going to go into camp lacking?". You may wonder why I feel that way, but remember what happened 2 years ago before they addressed the LG position with Kendall. They tried to use Wade as a LG...Scary! Will they try some bogus crap this year as well?

I hear what you're saying, but we only need to do a lot more if we're planning on winning it all this year. And yes, we'd all like that but to FRPLG's point maybe the fans should think more long term as opposed to the immediate here and now.
?????? Wll Sir, that is just NOT the American Way...

Really, who is our starting Sam? Who are our starting offensive Tackles? Who is our starting RG if Thomas cannot bounce back? Who is going to start at RE?

Sure, we replaced our LG with Dockery, but that wasn't a concern. Kendall would have re signed and he wasn't the weak link last season.

OK, we kept Hall, but even if we couldn't have, we still had Springs. That was not a position of need.

Albert Haynesworth was the only player added to the roster that filled a specific need or made a position better.

We have more holes than we have draft picks. If you truly believe that most late, day 2, picks are nothing more than camp bodies, then you should realize that our four picks are not going to address half of the needs that we have.

I understand that FA isn't over, but not knowing what is going through the FO's mind scares the crap out of me. It makes me ask the question every day "Are they going to address these needs or are we going to go into camp lacking?". You may wonder why I feel that way, but remember what happened 2 years ago before they addressed the LG position with Kendall. They tried to use Wade as a LG...Scary! Will they try some bogus crap this year as well?



I didnt say all our problems were solved - I just said we we have already significantly upgraded our roster from last year. You cant fix every single hole a team has overnight. Every team in the NFL has multiple needs right now and the majority of those teams will go into cap still having "holes" somewhere on the roster. Even the Pats, Giants, and Steelers have holes on their rosters. its the same every year, for every team.

I didnt say all our problems were solved - I just said we we have already significantly upgraded our roster from last year. You cant fix every single hole a team has overnight. Every team in the NFL has multiple needs right now and the majority of those teams will go into cap still having "holes" somewhere on the roster. Even the Pats, Giants, and Steelers have holes on their rosters. its the same every year, for every team.

All I'm saying is thay there were starting calliber FA's available in each position of need this offseason, and we haven't fixed anything yet. I understand letting the market cool down if that is what they are doing however, by the end the draft and FA the front office should have a man in every position that either has started somewhere else or has the potential based on a high draft position. Failure to do so is neglect of the "Total Team Concecpt".

I am not saying that another guy cannot unseat the guy who has started before. That just makes us better.

All I'm saying is thay there were starting calliber FA's available in each position of need this offseason, and we haven't fixed anything yet. I understand letting the market cool down if that is what they are doing however, by the end the draft and FA the front office should have a man in every position that either has started somewhere else or has the potential based on a high draft position. Failure to do so is neglect of the "Total Team Concecpt".

I am not saying that another guy cannot unseat the guy who has started before. That just makes us better.

... I can't believe i'm gonna defend the FO, it really must be Friday the 13th.

First of all, DE will be just fine by the start of OTAs. If we don't sign Daniels there will be other serviceable LDEs available following the draft, although I would prefer Daniels run-stopping. Also Carter can switch over from time to time (he can go every down cuz he's a physical specimen) and then we bring in Wilson @ RDE. Personally i think this will yield the best pass rush results.

OT will be easy to address in FA, especially after all the draft talent is added to other teams rosters. Like GTripp said the top four guys could well be gone by 13 so I'm not very hopefull we address RT in the draft but it's just fine... we have the cap room to sign an upgrade at the position over Jansen/Heyer. Again, no biggie.

The trouble spot IMO is OLB. There isn't much talent in FA worth paying. I'd like Marcus back but of course we know he won't stay healthy all season. This is the position I believe we must address through the draft... should be our first pick whether we stay @ 13 or trade back.

All I'm saying is thay there were starting calliber FA's available in each position of need this offseason, and we haven't fixed anything yet. I understand letting the market cool down if that is what they are doing however, by the end the draft and FA the front office should have a man in every position that either has started somewhere else or has the potential based on a high draft position. Failure to do so is neglect of the "Total Team Concecpt".

I am not saying that another guy cannot unseat the guy who has started before. That just makes us better.

We haven't fixed anything yet? So you don't believe our D-line is better today than it was at the end of the season? You don't we're better on the O-line today than it was at the end of the season? What was 'broken' and who would you have 'fixed' it with that would have been satisfactory to you?

Every teams have holes and open positions, it's not time to head to training camp yet. That's what the draft is for. That's what the '2nd round' of free agency is for. If we come away from the draft with a starter at DE or LB in the 1st round and we draft someone who can potentially start at RT in the 3rd round doesn't that fill 2 holes? If we bring Daniels back (depending on what we do in the draft) doesn't that fill a hole?

I think we keep MK and DT until at least year 3 and probably their whole rookie deal.

Paintrain;536680]We haven't fixed anything yet? So you don't believe our D-line is better today than it was at the end of the season? You don't we're better on the O-line today than it was at the end of the season? What was 'broken' and who would you have 'fixed' it with that would have been satisfactory to you?

Better yes, complete...no, we run a 4-3 not a 3-4. And there has to be another DE in there somewhere.

No because we just replaced a Good LG with another good LG.

The holes that we have at OT, DE, OLB, RG, and if you want to get nit picky Punter and Kicker.


Every teams have holes and open positions, it's not time to head to training camp yet. That's what the draft is for. That's what the '2nd round' of free agency is for. If we come away from the draft with a starter at DE or LB in the 1st round and we draft someone who can potentially start at RT in the 3rd round doesn't that fill 2 holes? If we bring Daniels back (depending on what we do in the draft) doesn't that fill a hole


I got it, thanks for the insight. I am going back to being a dumbass now! Dee DEE DEE!