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skinsfan69 03-05-2009, 12:18 AM IMO for that kind of $ they could have rebuilt the entire line instead of just plugging in 1 player who like you said isnt really going to make much of a difference. If they had to spend that $ I'd have liked to see them take a run at Cassell. That is the position that is really holding this team back.
If you put Cassel in our offense last year I really don't think you'd see a big difference. I don't think he's good enough to carry an offense.
GusFrerotte 03-05-2009, 12:37 AM This is why Cooley will go down as one of the most popular Redskins ever. The dude is just real, he gets it when obviously so many others in the NFL don't.
The Official Blog of Chris Cooley: JT Hates Money (http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2009/03/jt-hates-money.html)
When do folks in or around the NFL, as well as the fans, don't know it is all about the Benjamins? People are pissed because the bastard got all that money for being oft injured, and underperformed, with the exception of what, one game. Folks get it, just don't like it that much anymore. When folks are busting their asses, working two jobs just to pay rent, the mortgage, food, gas for work, just to survive, and these bozos get milliions for basically jerking off how do you think they are going to react? The NFL and NBA want bailouts by us working stiffs(taxpayers) that work 40+ hours a week year round? Why don't they try and lower the frigging salaries of their players then. Eventually this is going to happen. Soon folks will be too worried about mere survival than worrying about the bread and circuses that have served as mere distractions for the past half century. It is funny, the Skins laid off another batch of office personnel, probably for good, and nobody wants to even talk about these ridiculous salaries the players make.
NYCSkin 03-05-2009, 01:08 AM When do folks in or around the NFL, as well as the fans, don't know it is all about the Benjamins? People are pissed because the bastard got all that money for being oft injured, and underperformed, with the exception of what, one game. Folks get it, just don't like it that much anymore. When folks are busting their asses, working two jobs just to pay rent, the mortgage, food, gas for work, just to survive, and these bozos get milliions for basically jerking off how do you think they are going to react? The NFL and NBA want bailouts by us working stiffs(taxpayers) that work 40+ hours a week year round? Why don't they try and lower the frigging salaries of their players then. Eventually this is going to happen. Soon folks will be too worried about mere survival than worrying about the bread and circuses that have served as mere distractions for the past half century. It is funny, the Skins laid off another batch of office personnel, probably for good, and nobody wants to even talk about these ridiculous salaries the players make.
Gus--A well put social commentary of the times from someone in a town that is unfortunately suffering the most during this current economic calamity...
Regarding the JT situation; here is my rebuttal to Cooley's thoughtful argument---players his age (and sometimes younger i.e. Portis) tire of the whole offseason regimen and really only want to play (and get paid for) their work during the season. So I expect JT will chill until July, spending time in Miami with his family, and then get signed in August by the Pats or another contender that has lost a DE to injury during training camp. His kids will be in school again, he'll probably get a contract for 3-4 million, and still have a chance for a ring. The money lost by not being with the Skins therefore will equate to the opportunity costs earned by spending time with his family and eventually signing on with a team with a better shot of winning the Super Bowl.
tryfuhl 03-05-2009, 01:16 AM Please he was on a team that went 16-0 and the team finished 11-5. obviously he can't handle pro offenses.
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic here or not.
tryfuhl 03-05-2009, 01:17 AM People are sleeping on Tyler Thigpen...
As for Taylor, one of the more curious aspects of the whole thing is that he apparently never said "Look, I get that you want to offer me an extra $500k in exchange for this commitment because you've invested a lot in me and it hasn't paid off. But I don't want to make that commitment, but tell you what how about I give back some of my money in exchange for not having to do this"
Why would he offer to give some back? It wasn't counting against our cap was it?
SmootSmack 03-05-2009, 01:34 AM Why would he offer to give some back? It wasn't counting against our cap was it?
No, just saying that it seems money wasn't as much a factor as this was just an opportunity to get out of a bad situation
irish 03-05-2009, 08:03 AM Please he was on a team that went 16-0 and the team finished 11-5. obviously he can't handle pro offenses.
I've no clue how good Cassell is, but you said you wanted to re work the lines and then edited it to include getting Cassell. So mainly your gripe is JC, but we are not replacing him this year period, would be a ridiculous proposition, so instead they went out and got top quality at positions we are weak at and that is a good proposition. Cassell would no more win us three games (he lost NE 5) then AH will, but our D should be dominating enough and that a modest improvement in our offense, which we should see or Zorn will be to blame, should lead to dramatic results.
They are serving Koolaid and Ice Cream again!!!!! :)
I didnt say to rework the lines and get Cassell. It was either or. I also have no idea how good Cassell can be but I do know he lead NE to 11 wins last year after never having taken a snap. Thats almost as many wins as JC has in all his time with the Skins. If offered a choice between Cassell and JC I'll take Cassell every time.
If you think that one D lineman (not the entire d line) has as big an impact on winning and losing games as a QB you need to go back and watch football.
BTW, when the O sputters again this season it wont be Zorns fault. It will be the QB. Zorn cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
CRedskinsRule 03-05-2009, 08:42 AM I didnt say to rework the lines and get Cassell. It was either or. I also have no idea how good Cassell can be but I do know he lead NE to 11 wins last year after never having taken a snap. Thats almost as many wins as JC has in all his time with the Skins. If offered a choice between Cassell and JC I'll take Cassell every time.
If you think that one D lineman (not the entire d line) has as big an impact on winning and losing games as a QB you need to go back and watch football.
BTW, when the O sputters again this season it wont be Zorns fault. It will be the QB. Zorn cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
First, I watch enough, thank you, and if you saw our games last year, and watched the Titans D also, you would know that a player like AH does in fact upgrade our D every time he steps on the field. If you think he doesn't impact our D strategy as much as the qb on the other side, maybe you should watch his games more closely.
2nd, Zorn made silk out of Hasselback, even after benching him. You don't like Campbell, fine whatever. Campbell and Portis together were creating all the buzz until the OLine broke down, then nothing. Campbell's stats and performance have improved yearly so replacing him would just set our team back again. But like every other JC hater, nothing I say would change your mind so I guess I'll just go watch more football till I see it your way.
irish 03-05-2009, 09:44 AM First, I watch enough, thank you, and if you saw our games last year, and watched the Titans D also, you would know that a player like AH does in fact upgrade our D every time he steps on the field. If you think he doesn't impact our D strategy as much as the qb on the other side, maybe you should watch his games more closely.
2nd, Zorn made silk out of Hasselback, even after benching him. You don't like Campbell, fine whatever. Campbell and Portis together were creating all the buzz until the OLine broke down, then nothing. Campbell's stats and performance have improved yearly so replacing him would just set our team back again. But like every other JC hater, nothing I say would change your mind so I guess I'll just go watch more football till I see it your way.
Your talking defensive strategy and I'm talking winning and losing games. I dont care what strategy is used, its the wins that count. I agree that AH will impact the Skins defensive strategy. Will that translate into more wins, hopefully it will.
At this point JC and MH are not comparable. MH has taken his team to the playoffs and super bowk, JC hasnt. I dont think that replacing JC with a competent QB would set the team back at all. Skins fans are now in the mindset that it takes years to develop a QB when in fact QBs like Cassell, Rothlessberger, Ryan stepped right in and got the job done.
CRedskinsRule 03-05-2009, 10:12 AM Your talking defensive strategy and I'm talking winning and losing games. I dont care what strategy is used, its the wins that count. I agree that AH will impact the Skins defensive strategy. Will that translate into more wins, hopefully it will.
At this point JC and MH are not comparable. MH has taken his team to the playoffs and super bowk, JC hasnt. I dont think that replacing JC with a competent QB would set the team back at all. Skins fans are now in the mindset that it takes years to develop a QB when in fact QBs like Cassell, Rothlessberger, Ryan stepped right in and got the job done.
-I answered in a different thread, but AH alone would have won us three games last year(where Campbell and the offense got on track and took the lead and the D let us down) so I am talking wins as well.
-Zorn BENCHED MH for a year, before he went to the SB. You are using exceptions and claiming a rule. But most qbs take time to develop, that is an accepted belief, not just among Skins fans, but analysts, NFL teams, and a lot of other folks who actually watch football games. I really like how you say "at this point JC and MH are not comparable" duh, one is at the end of his career and the other is at the beginning of his career. I was comparing MH and JC at the same point in the careers(2nd year under Zorn). But I can understand where that type of Apples to Apples (http://www.documentingexcellence.com/stat_tool/reasoning.htm#MISTAKING%20THE%20CAUSE) comparison might lose its appeal
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