The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good

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Lotus
03-02-2009, 12:38 AM
First of all Buges went through what none of us wish on our worst enemy last year... obviously his group was going to suffer a bit as he missed time and understandably would have lost focus and you know what it's ok. We weren't serious contenders and Buges has given as much of himself to the franchise as anyone there.

I wasn't busting on Bugel. You are right that he gives his all and his all is a lot.

I simply pointed out that even the best coach cannot rectify an incurably bad attitude, and Andre Smith seems to have such an attitude. He drank a bit too much of that "it's all about me" poisoned koolaid.

The Goat
03-02-2009, 12:44 AM
I wasn't busting on Bugel. You are right that he gives his all and his all is a lot.

I simply pointed out that even the best coach cannot rectify an incurably bad attitude, and Andre Smith seems to have such an attitude. He drank a bit too much of that "it's all about me" poisoned koolaid.

Could be Lotus. I been thinking if we take Smith it's cuz Samuels got a chance to sit down, have a face-to-face and sort of evaluate him, make sure he's gonna be the next franchise OT and take it serious. Just saying if we grab him I'll be confident at that point in time because there was due diligence on our part...

MTK
03-02-2009, 12:47 AM
If there's a starting quality RT sitting there at #13 and we pass... wow there's gonna be a lot of head scratching going on.

tootergray34
03-02-2009, 12:50 AM
I'm not completely sold on Smith, I'm wondering what all the hype about this kid is. He's proved to the world that he is lazy, I'd much rather have Oher here b/c I think he will end up having a better career. And better than him would be Eugene Monroe...but him slipping to us would be a miracle.

Lotus
03-02-2009, 12:51 AM
Could be Lotus. I been thinking if we take Smith it's cuz Samuels got a chance to sit down, have a face-to-face and sort of evaluate him, make sure he's gonna be the next franchise OT and take it serious. Just saying if we grab him I'll be confident at that point in time because there was due diligence on our part...

Fair enough. But for my money we shouldn't use a #13 pick on someone whose attitude needs such molding and who still might be a problem. We should use a #13 pick on someone who simply needs a bit of polishing to become a shiny diamond.

It is possible that Oher, Monroe, or Jason Smith fall to #13. If not, there still should be Beatty and Britton, both of whom could be excellent tackles without Andre's baggage.

Nflnick11
03-02-2009, 12:52 AM
Andre Smith was a Combine flop because, in his words, he was "not in shape."

As a prospective NFL player, it is his job to be in shape! Would you go to a doctor who said he couldn't be bothered to keep up with medical advances? Would you go to a lawyer who said he didn't care about bar certification? Geez, Andre Smith would have been better off showing up at the Combine in a t-shirt which said "BUST" in block letters.

His talent doesn't matter - JUST SAY NO to Andre Smith.

Ok so he made a mistake about getting in shape at the combine, but A) at least his stocks falling, because he's not ready to workout, than him killing someone or beating someone up in a club, B) the guy once he gets some training camp in him will perform believe me, he only allowed one sack in college, and had he shown up at the combine he's a definite top ten pick who we all wished we had, just watch his highlight reel in college

Pocket$ $traight
03-02-2009, 01:31 AM
If they really want get rid of Jansen, then they should cut him and eat his salary cap. Sign Runyan (as much as I hate him, he's a mauler) draft Mack this year and draft another T or 2 in 2010.

Since none of these things is going to happen I won't spend too much time with it.

If they draft a lineman at 13 it HAS to be a tackle. They don't need a center right now, they need a tackle. Next year is a different story.

If they signed Runyan, Vinny should be fired immediately. Jansen is hopefully going to be the backup and then he is gone next year. They aren't cutting anyone who would count against the cap this year. (One of the reasons that trading Rogers for a pick(s) made zero sense)

Pocket$ $traight
03-02-2009, 01:41 AM
JLC said some retarded stuff here IMO. We need to add 2 or 3 LBs? Really? What the hell are we doing switching to a 3-4 defense before the season starts. We need one playmaker at OLB to ensure 1) Taylor play's at his pro-bowl position RDE 2) if there is an injury to one of the starters we have a guy to come in and play like a starter i.e. Blades. JLC is just making stuff up here...

I think they need two linebackers. I don't think Rocky can be counted on as a fulltime linebacker. He has broken down or declined at the end of the year when given a full workload. I think they should platoon Rocky with another linebacker and try and have him healthy at the end of the year. He has been a stud at the beginning of the season and then is either on the shelf or benched.

I like the idea of working J Taylor as the SAM here and there but I do not think he should be a linebacker full time. Jason Taylor is a defensive end. We brought him here to be a disruptive force as an end. I like his versatility but if they make him the full time strong side LB they are wasting his talents.

I would say that ideally Blades is your first LB off the bench, not a full time starter. He is good but certainly not in the league of a healthy Rocky or Marcus Washington.

Now with Phat Albert eating up blockers 2 or 3 at a time, maybe we are fine but I would not be upset at all if we take 2 or 3 LBs in the draft.

53Fan
03-02-2009, 02:05 AM
Well it says in the article that some in the organization feel Heyer can be an above average RT. If the top o-linemen are gone at that point and there is an outstanding LB still on the board, it would'nt surprise me if we took him. Guys like Loadbolt (sp?) could conceivably still be there in the 3rd round or we could possibly work a deal to move up to the second. It really depends on how the draft falls I guess.

Dirtbag59
03-02-2009, 03:07 AM
Well it says in the article that some in the organization feel Heyer can be an above average RT. If the top o-linemen are gone at that point and there is an outstanding LB still on the board, it would'nt surprise me if we took him. Guys like Loadbolt (sp?) could conceivably still be there in the 3rd round or we could possibly work a deal to move up to the second. It really depends on how the draft falls I guess.

I know you want to give Heyer a chance but to me he's average at best, so unless he has a monster offseason I don't see him improving to much. Would love it though if was able to. And as far as drafting Loadholt in the 3rd, it's definately a conceiveable option, but look how long it took to develop Dockery. Heck we seem to be going though the same thing Rhinehart right now. Any one of the big 4 could easily make an impact next year and onward.

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