Seems like Cutler might be available.

Zorn has a year left to prove himself, I don't think he's going to want to risk it by teaching another QB his system all over again. And you overlook the fact that Cutler's 2nd year was under the same offense and coach.

Campbell is like a large Millstone around Zorns neck. Zorns best change to extend his head coaching career beyond 2009 is to get a quarterback capeable of growing and improving in his system. If Zorn sticks with campbell all year, its almost 100% garaunteed that BOTH will be gone next year.

I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.

which is easier - to invest everything you have and rework your entire offense to help make one mediocre quarterback look good.... or just go get yourself a good quarterback who can make everyone around him look better?

As far as Cutler wanting more money... he will, but not now. We wouldnt have to worry about extending him until next year if we brought him here.

That said, i dont really think we'd land Cutler, even if we were really going after him.

I'm not going to say that JC has no talent, I believe he does. However, I find it funny that when D. Hall and Haynesworth were signed, people were going off about character issues left and right about these guys despite their talents (even though IMO these "character issues" were blown out of proportion). Yet when it comes to this whole notion of bringing in Cutler, people are willing to throw character out the window for a player that may have slightly more talent Jason Campbell.

Cutler never stomped on a anyones face to the point where the guy needed stitches. Cutler never kicked anyone from his own team. Cutler never got in a fight w/ a his own teammate and brought back a pole to smash the guy's head in. Cutler doesn't get arrested for a road rage incident. As far as I know Cutler doesn't get into screaming matches w/ coaches on the sidelines. Need I go on? Cutler may be acting like a baby but he doesn't do the shit Haynesworth and Hall does.

I'm not going to say that JC has no talent, I believe he does. However, I find it funny that when D. Hall and Haynesworth were signed, people were going off about character issues left and right about these guys despite their talents (even though IMO these "character issues" were blown out of proportion). Yet when it comes to this whole notion of bringing in Cutler, people are willing to throw character out the window for a player that may have slightly more talent Jason Campbell.

Where is he more talented? That's my only question. His stats were the same as JC's with a better O-line. All we are getting is a latteral move. His passing yardage was the same, his completions were the same, his interceptions were higher then JC's.

I totally agree with the whole character issue thing. I'm so tired of people picking and choosing who they want to argue about character issues. Either you hire angels only or you learn to allow some issues to pass simply for having talent on the team. Everyone has their issues some greater then others.

So let me get this straight, you people want to...
Not sure youre responding to alot of people, seems like just me, lol.

- Trade away our #13th pick for another player (after everyone bitches and whines about the FO trading away picks and not "building through the draft"), because I'm sure we'd be losing this pick in some sort of trade.
Quarterbacks of Cutlers pedigree almost never make it to free agency. Cutler was drafted with the 12th overall pick in 2006. Cutler is worth two-first rounders, minimum. Trading the 13th overall pick and Campbell and a mediocre player like Horton (hypothetically) for Cutler would be the bargain of the centurey. Quarterback is one position where is universally agreed that you break the "rules" for - if you need a QB and theres a young pro-bowl quarterback out there, you go get him.

- Trade for a player who has caused a PR nightmare for his team and probably the reason why it is not seen as a big deal is b/c he's a QB (if he were a receiver, he'd be compared to TO).
Eli Manning caused a "PR nightmare" for the Chargers and everyones forgotten about that now. QBs are a different type of player in the NFL. Cutler feels screwed over by some 32year old arrogant coach and he demanded a trade. That doesnt even begin to compare with the Crap TO has done. TO has been a lockerroom cancer on every team he's ever been on. Cutler is loved by his teammates - the beef in Denver is between Cutler and management - nothing else.

- Disrupt the continuity of having our current QB with the same coach and offense, something that hasn't happened in a while (don't tell me the Gibbs and Saunders had the same system). Even if you foolishly think Gibbs and Saunders systems were incredibly dissimilar, the fact remains Jason Campell had two full years in Saunders system-one that suited his talents. JC failed in that system after two years. Why does everyone forget that fact?

- Completely disregard JCs performance during the first 8 games when he had a working line and a healthy CP.. JC had a far superior line and better running back situation in Saunders system for two years... youre forgetting about THAT.

- Officially putting Zorn on a short leash, since bringing Cutler here would give us the whole "when is Shanahan getting hired" talk all season. What has Zorn done to prove he shouldnt be on a short leash? This isnt the 80s and 90s where teams give quarterbacks and coaches a minimum of 3 years to get going. Teams all around the league are having success with new coaches and quarterbacks in one season. Of all the rookie head coaches last year, Zorn was the worst. Every year, teams like the Ravens, Dolhphins, and Falcons, show a new QB and coach can turn a team around. Yet here everyone feels Campbell somehow deserves all this patience - Campbells last chance should have been in 2007. We foolishly gave him another year last year. Zorn needs to take this team to the playoffs this year or he SHOULD be demoted or fired.

Once again, I don't know why continuity for more than one or two seasons is undervalued. The only way we should bring someone like Cutler would be if the team decided to completely blow up the team, which that hasn't happened.

Why do people keep speaking of continuity as if its some inherantly good thing? Continuity is not good for continuitys sake, just like Change isnt good just for the sake of change. Continuity is only a good thing if what is being continued is also good. Campbell has overextended his stay in Washington. I'm not saying Jay Cutler is the one and only answer to us - but he would be a dramatic improvement over Campbell and he's someone who Zorn could take to greater heights than Campbell could ever dream of. That said, Zorns going to have to pull off a miracle to be the coach of this team in 2010.

Where is he more talented? That's my only question. His stats were the same as JC's with a better O-line.

You think Denvers o-line is better than ours? Maybe 5 years ago, but they sure as heck havent been dominant lately. Campbell has had far more tools surrounding him to help him succeed than Cutler ever has. Our O-line was one of the top 5-8 in the NFL when gibbs was here. It regressed alot in the latter part of last year (due to mostly to injury) but it was still one of the top 15 in the league. People trash our line, but its not that bad... its just not nearly as good as it used to be.

Campbell is like a large Millstone around Zorns neck. Zorns best change to extend his head coaching career beyond 2009 is to get a quarterback capeable of growing and improving in his system. If Zorn sticks with campbell all year, its almost 100% garaunteed that BOTH will be gone next year.



which is easier - to invest everything you have and rework your entire offense to help make one mediocre quarterback look good.... or just go get yourself a good quarterback who can make everyone around him look better?

As far as Cutler wanting more money... he will, but not now. We wouldnt have to worry about extending him until next year if we brought him here.

That said, i dont really think we'd land Cutler, even if we were really going after him.

Would you have made the same argument about Hasselback when he was benched by Zorn? or, if you were a Seattle fan, would you have been happy when they went to the SB with Hasselback.

Something else about this: if Zorn wanted Campbell gone, I guarantee he would be gone. Why, 1) because his career is on the line, 2) his reputation is on the line, 3) Danny seems really to listen to his coaches (some may disagree, but I think he always has), and 4) I don't believe salary cap wise its impossible like CP or JJ. So you can't say JC is a millstone, it is more so the girl he has brought to the party.

Post on RI:

Well here’s the latest rumor on this Cutler saga so take it for what it’s worth. According to the Bleacher report, yes I know… risky, it’s a three-way trade with Cutler, Scheffler and a Browns 3rd round pick going to Washington, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell and a Denver 5th rounder to Cleveland and Brady Quinn and Washington S LaRon Landry going to Denver

Post on RI:

Well here’s the latest rumor on this Cutler saga so take it for what it’s worth. According to the Bleacher report, yes I know… risky, it’s a three-way trade with Cutler, Scheffler and a Browns 3rd round pick going to Washington, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell and a Denver 5th rounder to Cleveland and Brady Quinn and Washington S LaRon Landry going to Denver
That's the article that started all this nonsense.

Here's something a little more reliable:

The Jay Cutler Speculation: We continue to hear nothing tangible about this "trade" whatsoever. Vinny Cerrato has denied it up and down, not just to the media but to football people around the league. He's also denied it to agents for some Redskins players, according to league sources, some of whom could be potentially directly affected by the alleged swap(s). It's one thing to be less that truthful with the media and fans, and quite another to do so with people you hope to maintain an ongoing business relationship with.

Make no mistake, there was some chatter going around the league earlier this week, unsubstantiated talk and not backed up by fact (the kind of gosspi that is a part of any business/corporation/league), that the Skins had a thing for the Denver QB. But it's quite another to report the inner workings of alleged three-way blockbuster deals as if they are potentially imminent. And, again, fitting a guy like Cutler under the cap, and absorbing massive cap hits from dealing guys like Chris Cooley, at a time when you only have the space to offer vet minimum deals for potential starters, is still something that seems impossible and render such deals as nonstarters.

Weekly Round-Up: Obligatory Cutler Stuff, Free Agent Wrap, Etc. - Redskins Insider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/weekly_round-up_obligatory_cut.html)

^ NO makes to much sense! I won't beleive it.