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GusFrerotte 03-19-2009, 10:14 PM I can't see anyone questioning JC's character like that...they may question his talent but everyone knows he's a standup guy. Anyone who thinks JC would only give his best in a contract year doesn't have a clue.
Do you know Campbell personally? Then all you know of him is what he does on the field and the persona they project via the media. I am with you that I think JC is a good guy, but then again most of us have been around long enough to realize how much of what is projected to us about most of these guys is more or less propaganda. UNless you really know the guy enough to know what his goals and motives are you are just like anyone else, stuck on relying on the media with regards of forming an opinion on him. That being said, the reality of his present predicament and his future with this team rides on his having a huge year this season. If he has another mediocre performance with his second season of the WCO him and Zorn are gone. Just another fruitless line of Coaching/QB experiments gone bad if they guys don't pull it out. Mr Haynesworth just might save both their jobs.
That Guy 03-19-2009, 11:47 PM this is a stupid argument. cutler would want a 100mill contract, we don't have the space. there's no one to restructure for major money, and rabach and thrash won't even make up 3mill if they're both cut. beyond that, you're talking multiple draft picks.
cutler isn't bringing his offense or his WRs with him, and campbell's not the reason we lost last year (OL/WRs).
I don't think campbell is ever going to be one of the greats, but he's good and young and cutler isn't a big enough improvement to shower him/the broncos with crazy picks and money.
GMScud 03-19-2009, 11:50 PM this is a stupid argument. cutler would want a 100mill contract, we don't have the space. there's no one to restructure for major money, and rabach and thrash won't even make up 3mill if they're both cut. beyond that, you're talking multiple draft picks.
cutler isn't bringing his offense or his WRs with him, and campbell's not the reason we lost last year (OL/WRs).
I don't think campbell is ever going to be one of the greats, but he's good and young and cutler isn't a big enough improvement to shower him/the broncos with crazy picks and money.
Nail, meet hammer. Thank you.
GTripp0012 03-19-2009, 11:51 PM I don't think campbell is ever going to be one of the greats, but he's good and young and cutler isn't a big enough improvement to shower him/the broncos with crazy picks and money.I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.
Redskin Jim 03-20-2009, 01:16 AM I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.
G stop trippin!! No way can JC have a career even close to Cutler's unless a flip/flop of offenses- I mean lines and wide out talent was to happen... JC= career journeyman, Cutler= career probowler.. Don't be too blinded as a homer..
Ruhskins 03-20-2009, 03:35 AM Seems like we're not the only ones hearing rumors about Cutler. This is pretty hilarious.
Why it's all Jay Cutler, all the time - Don Banks - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/03/18/snap.judgments/index.html)
SkinzzFan 03-20-2009, 08:24 AM G stop trippin!! No way can JC have a career even close to Cutler's unless a flip/flop of offenses- I mean lines and wide out talent was to happen... JC= career journeyman, Cutler= career probowler.. Don't be too blinded as a homer..
Cutler may have better numbers than Campbell, but their career records are virtually identical. You can argue the Skins have a much better Defense, but I would argue the Broncos Offense (O-line, WR and most importantly the same offensive system) has been better than ours. With that said, I don't care what kind of numbers a QB puts up...winning is the name of the game. For their careers, it's a wash. The difference between these two guys is Campbell is a football player, a real gamer. Cutler is a whiney a$$ biznitch and a prima-dona (no clue if that's spelled correctly). Like I've previously stated, you can't tell if Campbell just threw a TD or an INT by his demeanor. Nothing seems to bother him. That's what I want in a QB. Let's give Campbell a second year in the same system. He hasn't been in the same system in consecutive years in the NFL yet.
BTW...Doug Williams was a career journeyman and the Skins did pretty well with him in 87...it's not just about the QB.
HAIL!
53Fan 03-20-2009, 12:27 PM Cutler may have better numbers than Campbell, but their career records are virtually identical. You can argue the Skins have a much better Defense, but I would argue the Broncos Offense (O-line, WR and most importantly the same offensive system) has been better than ours. With that said, I don't care what kind of numbers a QB puts up...winning is the name of the game. For their careers, it's a wash. The difference between these two guys is Campbell is a football player, a real gamer. Cutler is a whiney a$$ biznitch and a prima-dona (no clue if that's spelled correctly). Like I've previously stated, you can't tell if Campbell just threw a TD or an INT by his demeanor. Nothing seems to bother him. That's what I want in a QB. Let's give Campbell a second year in the same system. He hasn't been in the same system in consecutive years in the NFL yet.
BTW...Doug Williams was a career journeyman and the Skins did pretty well with him in 87...it's not just about the QB.
HAIL!
I think that pretty much bottom lines it. I agree.
celts32 03-20-2009, 01:09 PM Do you know Campbell personally? Then all you know of him is what he does on the field and the persona they project via the media. I am with you that I think JC is a good guy, but then again most of us have been around long enough to realize how much of what is projected to us about most of these guys is more or less propaganda. UNless you really know the guy enough to know what his goals and motives are you are just like anyone else, stuck on relying on the media with regards of forming an opinion on him. That being said, the reality of his present predicament and his future with this team rides on his having a huge year this season. If he has another mediocre performance with his second season of the WCO him and Zorn are gone. Just another fruitless line of Coaching/QB experiments gone bad if they guys don't pull it out. Mr Haynesworth just might save both their jobs.
Of course I don't know him. But I watch, read and listen to an incredible amount of football coverage including Sirius NFL radio all day at work and I have never heard anyone say a bad word about JC personally. I guess your opinion is that you can question anyones motives if you don't know them. I don't roll that way though...I choose to believe JC has given his best every day since the redskins drafted him and will continue to do so regardless of his contract situation. Whether or not his best is good enough long term is the question.
Ruhskins 03-20-2009, 01:37 PM I'm not going to say that JC has no talent, I believe he does. However, I find it funny that when D. Hall and Haynesworth were signed, people were going off about character issues left and right about these guys despite their talents (even though IMO these "character issues" were blown out of proportion). Yet when it comes to this whole notion of bringing in Cutler, people are willing to throw character out the window for a player that may have slightly more talent Jason Campbell.
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