it seems we're stuck with the draft...

Are you saying trade our #13 for the Lions #20, plus their 2nd and 5th?

Thats exactly it.. swap #13 for #20, #33 & #129

Came in very raw, but has picked up on the "mental aspects" of playing defense very quickly (his attention to detail in the film room was previously a knock on him). Played smart football, meaning he didn't miss his assignments, embarass himself, or force teammates to cover for his mistakes, when he got on the field last year. Probably won't ever be a #1 or #2 CB, but has a bright future as a nickel back.

Also, being considered to return kicks this year.

Good to hear.

He was pretty raw coming out of college so it shouldn't be a shocker that he struggled a bit as a rookie. Gotta give him some time. Something some fans don't seem to understand.

I found a pretty good pre-draft breakdown of him.

Pitchfork Nation: Justin Tryon Draft Preview from Draft Guys TV (http://pitchforknation.blogspot.com/2008/03/justin-tryon-draft-preview-from-draft.html)

Thats exactly it.. swap #13 for #20, #33 & #129

That seems way too advantageous for us and of little benefit to them. I think if a trade works out at all we'll throw in two of our picks (hopefully our first and last) for something similar to what you have here.

so tryon's rep is that he has no instincs but good recovery? Sounds like a POS football player to me, just a track star with pads on...

Reps and coaching can help with his ability to read routes.

It's probably for the best that these big names are off the table--that much less to get Danny and Vinny excited. But I would expect some mild FA moves.

Time for Vinny to earn his damn money.