New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El

The obsession is that Randle El does his job (complementary receiver) better than any receiver on the team does their own job, including Moss.

And the problem of course, is that Randle El is not capable of running all the routes, because his effectiveness pretty much ends at 20 yards. So they can't just move Moss unless they think one of the young guys can handle the go-to receiver role.

Honestly even though Moss is our best WR...he doesn't exactly fill that go to role either. We don't have that player. Moss dissapears for weeks at a time. Moss is a good player but not good enough or consistent enough to be an effective #1 WR. I would move him if a reasonable trade offer was there. That would force one of these young WR's to sink or swim as the #1 WR and see what happens. With Moss & El back on this team next year those young guys are going to get minimal opportunities and probably not progress that much.

Honestly even though Moss is our best WR...he doesn't exactly fill that go to role either. We don't have that player. Moss dissapears for weeks at a time. Moss is a good player but not good enough or consistent enough to be an effective #1 WR. I would move him if a reasonable trade offer was there. That would force one of these young WR's to sink or swim as the #1 WR and see what happens. With Moss & El back on this team next year those young guys are going to get minimal opportunities and probably not progress that much.

I wouldn't assume so much... if the young guys have learned their routes and can be effective on offense I firmly believe they'll split time w/ Moss/ARL... the much bigger concern is not Zorn's willingness to include them but Hixon's seeming inability to develop WRs at the professional level. I hope very much he proves me wrong...

I still don't get the hating on Hixon. Prior to Thomas and Kelly what other young, quality WRs has he been given to work with and develop??

You've gotta blame Thomas for most of his struggles, and Kelly had injury issues.

I still don't get the hating on Hixon. Prior to Thomas and Kelly what other young, quality WRs has he been given to work with and develop??

You've gotta blame Thomas for most of his struggles, and Kelly had injury issues.

I think it's the Anthony Mix factor. Why can UFAs like Stephon Heyer and Lorenzo Alexander make an impact, but not Mix, Toler, Mann, etc.

I also think the scenarios are far different.

Plus I think that while Hixon isn't the best option, we have much more pressing issues.

I still don't get the hating on Hixon. Prior to Thomas and Kelly what other young, quality WRs has he been given to work with and develop??

You've gotta blame Thomas for most of his struggles, and Kelly had injury issues.

SBXV11 did a good list of WR's that have been through Hixon's training here:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/27618-our-wrs-in-2009-my-thoughts-11.html#post523516

I think my point is with the number of receivers that have been through, and the problems we continue to have, Hixon has done nothing to merit staying. Maybe he hasn't done so bad as to be fired, but certainly when his contract is up we should look for a replacement.

SBXV11 did a good list of WR's that have been through Hixon's training here:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/27618-our-wrs-in-2009-my-thoughts-11.html#post523516

I think my point is with the number of receivers that have been through, and the problems we continue to have, Hixon has done nothing to merit staying. Maybe he hasn't done so bad as to be fired, but certainly when his contract is up we should look for a replacement.

But it's not like these guys have gone on to do anything anywhere else. I mean seriously that list is littered with scrubs.

But it's not like these guys have gone on to do anything anywhere else. I mean seriously that list is littered with scrubs.
That's true, but, I believe that he has not done anything that says, "Wow, what a great job" either. Some of our position coaches are the best in the league, ie Jerry Gray, and it seems like there ought to be an opportunity to upgrade there.
Plus it makes for a good sacrificial lamb for all the mental errors through the season. ;)

That's true, but, I believe that he has not done anything that says, "Wow, what a great job" either. Some of our position coaches are the best in the league, ie Jerry Gray, and it seems like there ought to be an opportunity to upgrade there.
Plus it makes for a good sacrificial lamb for all the mental errors through the season. ;)

Can we really say he's had a lot to work with though??

I say we need to give him another year to see how Thomas and Kelly pan out.

And what about the success that Moss has had? Does he get no credit at all for that?

Can we really say he's had a lot to work with though??
well, i think he has had some input probably, and i think all the HC/OC's tried to bring in playmakers

I say we need to give him another year to see how Thomas and Kelly pan out.
SOMEONE HAS TO PAY!! ;)
Seriously, I think we keep wanting to give everyone one more year and mostly I agree, but none of the WR's showed much in the way of good coaching, I think what we see on the field is the raw ability mostly. I really don't know, but it seems like we should have seen some "thing" over 5 years that either said yes keep him, or else it is time to move on. He is not a qb in new systems, he is a pro WR receiver coach with 5 yrs experience. If this is good as he gets, we can do better. (maybe worse, but that's hard to see)

And what about the success that Moss has had? Does he get no credit at all for that?
I would say that is almost all Moss' natural talent, plus coaching he had when he got here, I've never heard Moss or any WR credit Hixon, so maybe that sways me too. I won't knock him hard for not developing any of the others, so I won't give him a lot of credit for a naturally talented WR.

For me two things are paramount:
1) In 5 years he has not visibly improved one prospect (Kelly/Thomas are still pending)

2) This is not a "essential personnel move" like JC, or Zorn, where another year could make or break them. Instead, this is a position where an improvement now could pay huge dividends in training Kelly and Thomas to be #1 receivers. The flip side is if it is Hixon, and he wastes another year here, we could potentially scrap Kelly and Thomas' careers.

well, i think he has had some input probably, and i think all the HC/OC's tried to bring in playmakers


SOMEONE HAS TO PAY!! ;)
Seriously, I think we keep wanting to give everyone one more year and mostly I agree, but none of the WR's showed much in the way of good coaching, I think what we see on the field is the raw ability mostly. I really don't know, but it seems like we should have seen some "thing" over 5 years that either said yes keep him, or else it is time to move on. He is not a qb in new systems, he is a pro WR receiver coach with 5 yrs experience. If this is good as he gets, we can do better. (maybe worse, but that's hard to see)


I would say that is almost all Moss' natural talent, plus coaching he had when he got here, I've never heard Moss or any WR credit Hixon, so maybe that sways me too. I won't knock him hard for not developing any of the others, so I won't give him a lot of credit for a naturally talented WR.

For me two things are paramount:
1) In 5 years he has not visibly improved one prospect (Kelly/Thomas are still pending)

2) This is not a "essential personnel move" like JC, or Zorn, where another year could make or break them. Instead, this is a position where an improvement now could pay huge dividends in training Kelly and Thomas to be #1 receivers. The flip side is if it is Hixon, and he wastes another year here, we could potentially scrap Kelly and Hixon's careers.

Think you meant Thomas' careers and yeah that is one of my biggest concerns as well.