New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El

Yeah I feel the same about Thrash, he is totally a non-factor on offense.

The list of WRs and TEs, on paper at list, is impressive IMO. I hope these kids are putting it together in the offseason for a big aerial surprise come regular season. Cooley/Davis is a sick TE combination and I'm anxious to see what Zorn can do with a couple of blocking/pass-catching monsters.

This is what makes improving the o-line so important. If JC has time, this offense should kick-ass.

Truer words ain't been spoken. The relative success of the o-line is sort of a double whammy wrt Cooley/Davis... i mean w/ an improved line these studs should have way more opportunities to get into space and school opposing LBs. As long as the line struggles two of our best pass catchers are taken from the equation... lame.

I really don't like the idea of rewarding non-productive players with more bonus money making it harder to cut them down the line. And of course by non productive I mean based on their production last season. It's honestly just a lot more of the same and I guess I've made my current feelings on the front office clear so I'll stay away from that for now. However with this current topic I'll go on record as saying I don't like the move. If anything I would rather cut the older guys and get some breathing room instead of using the same tactics that got us to where we are with Jansen, not saying that it will happen exactly the same way with Carter and Randle El but it's not promising.

So there now you guys know why :D

If youre a redskins fan and you dont like these contracts then you just dont understand it. Here are the full details of the contracts:

The Full Carter And Randle El Contracts - Redskins Insider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/the_full_carter_and_randle_el.html#comments)

Now, of course, JLC would never say anything positive about the skins. He just referred to these moves as standard "salary cap gymnastics." Really, this is great for the skins and does the exact opposite of what you alleged in your post.

Prior to these new contracts, to release Carter after the 2009 season would have cost 6.8M against the cap. So now, not only do we save 2.4M against the cap in 2009, it will only cost 5.1M against the cap to cut him after the season.

Prior to AREs new contract, it would also have cost 6.8M to cut him after the season. Now, not only do we save 2M against the cap in 2009, but his release fee after the season is now only 4.4M.

To summarize, these extensions lower their cap hit significantly in 2009, while also HELPING us and making it EASIER to cut them prior to the 2010 season. Cutting them in 2010 wouldnt matter if there is no salary cap, but if there is a new CBA, these new contracts will save us 4.1M in cap space 2010, as well.
There is also another bonus for us - ARE and Carter likely realize this is their last year for the redskins, so in 2009, they are essentially auditioning for a new contract with another team in 2010 - we might actually get some production out of them this year.

Well Campbell said going into the offseason that you may see some unexpected turnover with the offense.

Could Randle El's signing secure his spot with us and leave Moss's in doubt? If El is still here who is going to be the unexpected offensive Redskins not with us next year?

Moss could be dangling on a trade string as we speak.

Oh please I hope not. I simply don't understand this team's obsession with ARE. Unless you use him like he is supposed to be sued, as a third WR, other than that, he sucks.

Now, of course, JLC would never say anything positive about the skins. He just referred to these moves as standard "salary cap gymnastics."

From the article:
In both cases, the players will pocket in raw cash terms exactly what they would have in 2009 under their previous deals ($4.5 million for Carter - including his old roster bonus - and $4 million for Randle El).

Neither has been very productive since signing lucrative free agent deals here in March of 2006, and both play positions that have been woefully unproductive here on the whole. From the player standpoint, there's every incentive to do these deals, they end up getting more money up front now and the chance to earn much more.

Even as JLC tries to put down the FO, he contradicts himself.
To me these contracts seem to be a good balancing act whether or not a CBA is signed.

It's probably Antwaan's fault he sucks as a punt returner. But I don't think he's to blame for the contract he initially got here and it's not his fault no one has been able to supplant him yet as the #2 receiver. He hasn't done an awful job.

Here's my hope for our WRs and ARE. Take him off punts so he can be fresher for playing WR. Less bumps and bruises, less mileage. Then I hope that either Thomas or Kelly can take a starting job and bump ARE into the slot as the #3 where he should be and can be most effective. Then use him more on gadget plays (wildcat, options, etc) where he excels.

Here's my hope for our WRs and ARE. Take him off punts so he can be fresher for playing WR. Less bumps and bruises, less mileage. Then I hope that either Thomas or Kelly can take a starting job and bump ARE into the slot as the #3 where he should be and can be most effective. Then use him more on gadget plays (wildcat, options, etc) where he excels.

I think that's why we got him to begin with. I think he'd be good in the slot. We've had to use him at #2 because no one else could take that spot so he's had to play out of position. If Kelly can perform this year the way we hoped he would when we drafted him, it sure would cure a lot of ills.

Oh please I hope not. I simply don't understand this team's obsession with ARE. Unless you use him like he is supposed to be sued, as a third WR, other than that, he sucks.The obsession is that Randle El does his job (complementary receiver) better than any receiver on the team does their own job, including Moss.

And the problem of course, is that Randle El is not capable of running all the routes, because his effectiveness pretty much ends at 20 yards. So they can't just move Moss unless they think one of the young guys can handle the go-to receiver role.

I think the expectation when we drafted him was that Devin Thomas should be our #1 receiver, moving Moss to #2 and ARE to #3. If Moss is traded at some point, Kelly would be our #2. One way or another, i dont think ARE starts this year as our #2 receiver.

Here's my hope for our WRs and ARE. Take him off punts so he can be fresher for playing WR. Less bumps and bruises, less mileage. Then I hope that either Thomas or Kelly can take a starting job and bump ARE into the slot as the #3 where he should be and can be most effective. Then use him more on gadget plays (wildcat, options, etc) where he excels.


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