For all you D Hall lovers

- First, I think the best situation for the team would be to keep both Hall and Rogers. Hall gets a new deal b/c we acquired him midseason, his contract is up and played very well while he was here. Besides, he's 25, very talented, and his character issues seem to have gone away after being cut by the Raiders.

- Rogers has one more year left in his contract, and while he played well this season, I don't think he's due a new deal. I think it would benefit Rogers to stay one more year to put up big numbers and then go into free agency (I know there's the whole deal with the possible uncapped year). I don't think he should try to leave the team, unless another team that's willing to trade for him would give him a new contract.

- If one of them has to go, the best situation would be for Rogers to be traded. We could have as CBs Hall, Springs, FA CB as insurance for Springs, and either Smoot/Tryon or Rookie DB/Tryon. At the least, we could get a draft pick out of a Rogers trade, whereas if Hall were to leave, we would not get any type of compensation.

I would love to have them both...but if the redskins are making a choice to only give one of them a long term deal then I think it should be Rogers following next season. I also do not think Hall is worth the kind of deal that is being rumored. He does not deserve to be paid as one of the top CB's in the league after the season he had last year.

I would love to have them both...but if the redskins are making a choice to only give one of them a long term deal then I think it should be Rogers following next season. I also do not think Hall is worth the kind of deal that is being rumored. He does not deserve to be paid as one of the top CB's in the league after the season he had last year.One thing to consider is age. Hall is only 25 and Rogers is 27. Rogers is probably better in man coverage, but with his stone hands, he almost never makes plays when they present themselves. Hall has demonstrated the ability to make a big INT. I'd love to keep both, but given the choice, I believe that I'd take Hall.

Thought it might be interesting if we all addressed what we would LIKE to do at the DB positions this year. Who should we keep? Who should we let go, who should we trade?

I figured I would start off.

CB DeAngelo Hall. We need to sign him to an extension ASAP. Something in the neighborhood of 6 years, 45M, 15M garaunteed.

CB Carlos Rogers. Under no circumstances should we trade him. We should keep him and see how he plays in 2009. If he plays well, sign him to a deal in 2010 similar to what we give Hall.

CB Fred Smoot. We definitely cant cut him, but he's not a starting caliber-guy anymore. We should restructure/extend his contract in a manner similar to what we did the other day with ARE and Carter... something to lower his 2009 cap hit.

CB Shawn Springs. Under no circumstances should we pay him 8.5M in 2009. Thats way too much for a guy with his history of missing games. I would talk to him about signing an extension that paid him 20M with 10M garaunteed over the next 4 years, but thats about it. If he does stay, I would move him to free safety immediately...

Laron Landry. I would do whatever I could to move him back to Strong Safety in 2009. If we're unable to find a suitable FS on our roster, in free agency, or in the draft, I would keep him at FS, but that would be a last resort measure. Landry is far too disruptive when near the line of scrimmage to waste at FS.

Chris Horton. He's a great SS and one of the surprises of the 2008 season, but he'll never be as much of a consistent playmaker at SS as Landry is right now. If he stays on the Skins in 2009, it will be as a backup to LL and in Cobra packages. I think we should consider trading Horton for a 2nd rounder player but nothing less. Hes a great insurance policy to have behind Landry.

Kareem Moore. He showed tremendous promise in camp, but got injured and fell behind fellow rookie Chris Horton on the depth Chart. While Horton is a natural SS who can only play SS, Moore is a natural FS who (ideally) could start at FS for the Skins in 2009. He may not be ready though, which is why I would consider keeping Springs around for a bit. If we let go of Springs, we should bring in a value FA to compete with Moore for the spot there.

2009 Starting Lineup
CB1: Hall
CB2: Rogers
FS: Springs/Moore/FA
SS: Landry

Good post BHA. As good as Landry is at FS, I would like to see him back at SS where he would be physically more imposing. Moore has talent and could hopefully take over the FS spot, unless we keep Rogers, Hall, and Springs. Then Springs could either take over that spot or play where he's needed. As much as Blache plays the cobra, Horton would still serve us well. If things play out right, we could have the best defensive backfield in the league. Add a pass rush to this scenario and our TO's on defense skyrocket.

5th too didn't they?

yep!

I would love to have them both...but if the redskins are making a choice to only give one of them a long term deal then I think it should be Rogers following next season. I also do not think Hall is worth the kind of deal that is being rumored. He does not deserve to be paid as one of the top CB's in the league after the season he had last year.

Why Rogers and not Hall? Is Hall that terrible? Did you see him play? I just don't get why people are so anti-Hall. You think we were trying to pick between Smoot and Rogers.

I think any reasonable person would first and foremost want to have both Rogers and Hall back. Rogers is good with coverage, but he doesn't get the INTs. Hall gets the picks. We b!tch and whine about having a good defense, but not having many sacks. Why aren't we complaining about having a good defense and not having that many picks??

No way would I trade Horton.

Laron Landry. I would do whatever I could to move him back to Strong Safety in 2009. If we're unable to find a suitable FS on our roster, in free agency, or in the draft, I would keep him at FS, but that would be a last resort measure. Landry is far too disruptive when near the line of scrimmage to waste at FS.

Chris Horton. He's a great SS and one of the surprises of the 2008 season, but he'll never be as much of a consistent playmaker at SS as Landry is right now. If he stays on the Skins in 2009, it will be as a backup to LL and in Cobra packages. I think we should consider trading Horton for a 2nd rounder player but nothing less. Hes a great insurance policy to have behind Landry.

Kareem Moore. He showed tremendous promise in camp, but got injured and fell behind fellow rookie Chris Horton on the depth Chart. While Horton is a natural SS who can only play SS, Moore is a natural FS who (ideally) could start at FS for the Skins in 2009. He may not be ready though, which is why I would consider keeping Springs around for a bit. If we let go of Springs, we should bring in a value FA to compete with Moore for the spot there.


I have to disagree on Landry at least at this point. Landry is a surprisingly poor tackler in my opinion... Horton at least today appears to be the surer tackler but lacks coverage skills. Meanwhile Landry showed phenomenal coverage skills in college and I'm pretty convinced he was ailing much of last year or would have come up w/ more defended passes and INTs (didn't have the speed). Don't forget Laron was a FS @ LSU and by his senior year opposing QBs rarely even risked a bomb because of him... I'm still hoping we see that kind of shutdown play from him @ FS.

Thought it might be interesting if we all addressed what we would LIKE to do at the DB positions this year. Who should we keep? Who should we let go, who should we trade?

I figured I would start off.

CB DeAngelo Hall. We need to sign him to an extension ASAP. Something in the neighborhood of 6 years, 45M, 15M garaunteed.

CB Carlos Rogers. Under no circumstances should we trade him. We should keep him and see how he plays in 2009. If he plays well, sign him to a deal in 2010 similar to what we give Hall.

CB Fred Smoot. We definitely cant cut him, but he's not a starting caliber-guy anymore. We should restructure/extend his contract in a manner similar to what we did the other day with ARE and Carter... something to lower his 2009 cap hit.

CB Shawn Springs. Under no circumstances should we pay him 8.5M in 2009. Thats way too much for a guy with his history of missing games. I would talk to him about signing an extension that paid him 20M with 10M garaunteed over the next 4 years, but thats about it. If he does stay, I would move him to free safety immediately...

Laron Landry. I would do whatever I could to move him back to Strong Safety in 2009. If we're unable to find a suitable FS on our roster, in free agency, or in the draft, I would keep him at FS, but that would be a last resort measure. Landry is far too disruptive when near the line of scrimmage to waste at FS.

Chris Horton. He's a great SS and one of the surprises of the 2008 season, but he'll never be as much of a consistent playmaker at SS as Landry is right now. If he stays on the Skins in 2009, it will be as a backup to LL and in Cobra packages. I think we should consider trading Horton for a 2nd rounder player but nothing less. Hes a great insurance policy to have behind Landry.

Kareem Moore. He showed tremendous promise in camp, but got injured and fell behind fellow rookie Chris Horton on the depth Chart. While Horton is a natural SS who can only play SS, Moore is a natural FS who (ideally) could start at FS for the Skins in 2009. He may not be ready though, which is why I would consider keeping Springs around for a bit. If we let go of Springs, we should bring in a value FA to compete with Moore for the spot there.

2009 Starting Lineup
CB1: Hall
CB2: Rogers
FS: Springs/Moore/FA
SS: Landry

where is doughty?! you omitted one key part of the secondary. he is a starting caliber strong safety (barely but he is!) and i don't know if he would beat out horton for the starting spot but he would be one of the best backup safeties in the league. and about the rest of the post i would would not count on springs being a full-time starter at any position(due to the fact that his bones are made of glass) and i dont think that moore is anywhere near being starter too. and yes landry is better at strong safety than free safety but the skins don't have a better option at free safety than landry and i don't think it would be feasible to sign or draft a starting caliber safety when the skins have so many other more pressing needs(i.e. ol, dl, lb).

I want them to sign Hall and cut Springs