For all you D Hall lovers

I think you mean Haydens contract with Indianapolis.

I think the FO is handling it reasonably, which is to let the market shake out.
I imagine Hall could sign a contract with multi-million dollars guaranteed right now with us, and this after getting 8million from the Raiders. I think a reasonable argument can be made that if Hall is holding us up for the Max dollars, then chances are he has not learned anything and his time with us was just to get a fat contract.

Well said my friend.

ok that is crazy.... you quoted and posted a post i hadnt submitted yet. The post at the top of the page, i just submitted less than 1 minute ago. this is creepy!

I said that because every year, once free agency starts, prices rise and they keep rising. In the end, a lesser talent like Leigh Bodden or Dre Bly is going to cost us just as much to sign as it would have cost to sign Hall a week ago... teams have a ton of cap space and if they need an upgrade at a position, they'll overpay for him. that puts other teams in a panic and then they overpay. the standard of pay is constantly raised (simple supply/demand relationship)

of course, theres always the option to let skip the first crazy couple of weeks in free agency and then go after the scraps that are left over, but you are always left with marginal guys when you do that. youre getting cheap replacements and your team is worse off as a result.

IMO, the smart teams do the following in free agency:

1) Resign their own "top tier" free agents BEFORE free agency starts. You will save a ton of money short-term and long-term doing this. You also take the least amount of risk here becaues youre getting a guy you know works well in your system.
2) For the most part, avoid the first two weeks of free agency entirely. Let your own nominal players test the market (like we did with Rock last year). If they get an offer from another team, consider matching it, but dont break the bank. if you wait, you can get comparable nominal players once everything settles down at a cheaper price.
3) Upgrade your teams depth once everything "settles down" after all the big guys are signed.

Looks like you posted at 10:18 the part that he initially quoted then edited it later on at 10:49

ok that is crazy.... you quoted and posted a post i hadnt submitted yet. The post at the top of the page, i just submitted less than 1 minute ago. this is creepy!

I said that because every year, once free agency starts, prices rise and they keep rising. In the end, a lesser talent like Leigh Bodden or Dre Bly is going to cost us just as much to sign as it would have cost to sign Hall a week ago... teams have a ton of cap space and if they need an upgrade at a position, they'll overpay for him. that puts other teams in a panic and then they overpay. the standard of pay is constantly raised (simple supply/demand relationship)

of course, theres always the option to let skip the first crazy couple of weeks in free agency and then go after the scraps that are left over, but you are always left with marginal guys when you do that. youre getting cheap replacements and your team is worse off as a result.

IMO, the smart teams do the following in free agency:

1) Resign their own "top tier" free agents BEFORE free agency starts. You will save a ton of money short-term and long-term doing this. You also take the least amount of risk here becaues youre getting a guy you know works well in your system.
2) For the most part, avoid the first two weeks of free agency entirely. Let your own nominal players test the market (like we did with Rock last year). If they get an offer from another team, consider matching it, but dont break the bank. if you wait, you can get comparable nominal players once everything settles down at a cheaper price.
3) Upgrade your teams depth once everything "settles down" after all the big guys are signed.

BHA I have to agree w/ your last two posts but could play the devil's advocate here... Zorn and the FO may just be playing it very shrewd here if they have good reason to believe 1) Hall will not get the kind of money he's looking for elsewhere and/or 2) Hall is gonna prefer to stay close to home anyway then waiting till after FA begins will just save us some money. Honestly i've no real idea what the likely outcome is here... i will say if Hall walks away to get big money w/ a solid team and have great success in the years ahead when we could have signed him now for something reasonable then good fans ought to (rightly) start clamoring for an overhaul of the FO.

If Hall signs a crazy deal elsewhere oh well. He's not worth bending over backwards for. But I'm sure people will blame the FO as usual. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

We didn't trade a 3rd and 4th for Kendall

Right, i forgot, it was duckett we gave up the 3rd and 4th for. kendall was just a 4th. i'll update my post. thanks.

If Hall signs a crazy deal elsewhere oh well. He's not worth bending over backwards for. But I'm sure people will blame the FO as usual. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You mean like with Oakland last year? That's not gonna happen because Hall learned his lesson. Money isn't everything. Remember?

I think the FO is handling it reasonably, which is to let the market shake out.
I imagine Hall could sign a contract with multi-million dollars guaranteed right now with us, and this after getting 8million from the Raiders. I think a reasonable argument can be made that if Hall is holding us up for the Max dollars, then chances are he has not learned anything and his time with us was just to get a fat contract.

sources inside reskins park indicated that when the redskins and Hall were talking a month ago, Hall was wanting 16M garaunteed and the skins were offering 12 and not budging.

Once Hall and his agent started seeing the kind of money other teams were going to be paying their corners, Hall likely decided his best option was to head to free agency. I mean, why would a guy sign for 12M garaunteed when guys of equal or lesser talent to him are getting almost TWICE that (Hayden). Hall would be a fool to sign with us for 12 at this point. At this point, Hall probably is the one holding things up. But we wouldnt even be in this situation if the skins had not given Hall 14-16M garaunteed when they had the chance a few weeks ago.

In the end, the redskins stingyness with its own free agents is apparent and in 2-3 years, we will look back on this as another dumb move by the FO.

You mean like with Oakland last year? That's not gonna happen because Hall learned his lesson. Money isn't everything. Remember?
Yes, Hall learned that being part of a dysfunctional franchise for a lot of money is not worth it. if Hall resigns here, he would be signing with a dysfunctional franchise for not much money at all. He was willing to do that a month ago, because we were the team he grew up rooting for. Now, we've probably lost him.

if hall has learned his lesson, he will sign for his fair market value at a team that is well run. The skins stinginess may be the best thing that ever happens to him when he winds up with a team like New England, Baltimore, or Green Bay.

Hayden's a lot better than Hall though.

Honestly, if his asking price is 14-16, he can go play somewhere else. He's never going to get that from anybody.

Hayden's a lot better than Hall though.

Honestly, if his asking price is 14-16, he can go play somewhere else. He's never going to get that from anybody.

Hayden is alot better than hall? Not by a long-shot. Hall will get 16 or more garaunteed if he hits the open market. He may very well even break 20. You can count on it.

I think you and i have vastly different opinions on how talented Hall is and perhaps even greater opinions on whether his character issues are a thing of the past or not.