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BigHairedAristocrat 02-19-2009, 02:01 PM Donta and Hayden got signed. Looks like the market for Hall is getting better for him and worse for us.
The raiders are also about to tag asimoghua or whatever his name is... hall is now the #1 FA CB on the market. Skins would have been wise to sign him when he was cheap. he'll very likely cost several more M in garaunteed money now. i predict whoever signs him is going to pay him 7-8M/year.
Ruhskins 02-19-2009, 02:47 PM The raiders are also about to tag asimoghua or whatever his name is... hall is now the #1 FA CB on the market. Skins would have been wise to sign him when he was cheap. he'll very likely cost several more M in garaunteed money now. i predict whoever signs him is going to pay him 7-8M/year.
I hate to say this, but with the way the DB FA market is right now, it seems like we're going to have either Hall or Rogers, but not both. I'm sure regardless of what happens, ppl are going to complain about any decision made by the team on this matter.
SmootSmack 02-19-2009, 02:49 PM Apparently the Raiders might be backing out of tagging Asomugha, could be that they're close to a long-term deal. Who knows when it comes to the Raiders.
I think the Texans have tagged Dunta Robinson, if I heard right
vallin21 02-19-2009, 02:51 PM I hate to say this, but with the way the DB FA market is right now, it seems like we're going to have either Hall or Rogers, but not both. I'm sure regardless of what happens, ppl are going to complain about any decision made by the team on this matter.
I don't see why we can't have both in '09. We can wait for Rogers until next year. If he demands a trade then we (might) have to think about moving him but our main goal is to re-sign Hall.
freddyg12 02-19-2009, 02:52 PM Getting rid of Rogers, who was universally regarded as an 'arrogant punk' by the people covering the team every day could impact chemistry in a very bad way?
It's so funny how people let their entire perception of someone be formed by what they hear in the national media. The hilarious thing about D. Hall is before he played for Bobby Petrino and had his on field blowup with him, there were no concerns about his attitude in Atlanta. He was widely considered one of the top CB in the game and expected to be an all pro for years to come. He plays for a coach that even Warrick Dunn (WARRICK DUNN!) had nothing but negative words about, then went to an even worse, more dysfunctional organization than the Falcons were and now he's a terrible, overrated CB who's a major character risk. Really?
My point is getting rid of a guy that's paid his dues here & worked hard to come back from injury (Rogers) for a guy who plays half a season, needs a new contract & has a history of attitude problems, is generally bad for team chemistry. Honestly i wasn't aware of Rogers' being an "arrogant punk."
You assume that "my entire perception" is based on reports from nat'l media. Quite the contrary. I'm a Va. Tech alum & live less than an hour from VT, and a big fan of the football team. When Hall played for VT he had the same reputation, a selfish prima donna that divided the locker room. I heard from several people over the years that know players & coaches well, and their opinion of him is never good, aside from his talent.
Granted, I did not get info first hand, but I trust the people who relayed stories to me. Obviously, 99%+ of the opinions on this site are based on our limited perception of people who live somewhat public lives. If I waited for first hand info on everything, I'd never vote, because I've never met a president!
The last year Hall played at VT in 03, the team went from #3 in the country to losing a bowl game 52-49 & finishing 6-5 (pretty sure but not positive). The next year Hall left & the coaching staff made a point in camp of emphasizing team unity. That year they won the acc w/what most considered a less talented team. Not saying that Hall has to shoulder all the blame, but several people close to the team single him out for negatively affecting the team's chemistry.
The same behavior has continued in the nfl. Yes, I get most of my info. from the nat'l media, but there is a reason a guy w/so much talent at a vital position has been dumped twice (w/one of them being the ever dysfunctional raiders) & he's only 25!!!
Ruhskins 02-19-2009, 02:59 PM Apparently the Raiders might be backing out of tagging Asomugha, could be that they're close to a long-term deal. Who knows when it comes to the Raiders.
I think the Texans have tagged Dunta Robinson, if I heard right
Yup, you are correct.
NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Texans put franchise tag on CB Robinson « (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/texans-put-franchise-tag-on-cb-dunta/)
vallin21 02-19-2009, 03:09 PM My point is getting rid of a guy that's paid his dues here & worked hard to come back from injury (Rogers) for a guy who plays half a season, needs a new contract & has a history of attitude problems, is generally bad for team chemistry. Honestly i wasn't aware of Rogers' being an "arrogant punk."
You assume that "my entire perception" is based on reports from nat'l media. Quite the contrary. I'm a Va. Tech alum & live less than an hour from VT, and a big fan of the football team. When Hall played for VT he had the same reputation, a selfish prima donna that divided the locker room. I heard from several people over the years that know players & coaches well, and their opinion of him is never good, aside from his talent.
Granted, I did not get info first hand, but I trust the people who relayed stories to me. Obviously, 99%+ of the opinions on this site are based on our limited perception of people who live somewhat public lives. If I waited for first hand info on everything, I'd never vote, because I've never met a president!
The last year Hall played at VT in 03, the team went from #3 in the country to losing a bowl game 52-49 & finishing 6-5 (pretty sure but not positive). The next year Hall left & the coaching staff made a point in camp of emphasizing team unity. That year they won the acc w/what most considered a less talented team. Not saying that Hall has to shoulder all the blame, but several people close to the team single him out for negatively affecting the team's chemistry.
The same behavior has continued in the nfl. Yes, I get most of my info. from the nat'l media, but there is a reason a guy w/so much talent at a vital position has been dumped twice (w/one of them being the ever dysfunctional raiders) & he's only 25!!!
I don't get why people keep bringing up Hall's attitude. Have you ever thought he might have matured and realized he can't do the same stuff that got him a bad rep w/ATL? All his "so called" behavior problems came on bad teams ('07 ATL) with a coach who quit on his team in the middle of the season. Are you supposed to be the only reason they cut him in OAK is because he couldn't play man coverage. I'm not saying he's not a risk but I think he's matured and learned from his mistakes.
SFREDSKIN 02-19-2009, 03:22 PM Apparently the Raiders might be backing out of tagging Asomugha, could be that they're close to a long-term deal. Who knows when it comes to the Raiders.
I think the Texans have tagged Dunta Robinson, if I heard right
Signed to a 3 year deal worth 45 Mill.
NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Asomugha lands complex three-year deal with Raiders « (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/asomugha-lands-complex-three-year-deal-with-raiders/)
BigHairedAristocrat 02-19-2009, 03:26 PM Signed to a 3 year deal worth 45 Mill.
NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Asomugha lands complex three-year deal with Raiders « (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/asomugha-lands-complex-three-year-deal-with-raiders/)
The price for Hall just shot through the roof. The skins are going to wish they had just given hall the 6 year deal with 16M garaunteed averaging around 7M/year when they had the chance. Now, its highly unlikely they can sign him to anything less than 8-9M/year garaunteed. he's going to walk.
Add to that the fact that we're trying to trade Rogers and Smoot sucks, it looks like Springs will be back for another year making an obscene amount of money for a guy who will likely play only half the games.
Unless we overspend on someone like Bly, its highly likely that we are going to have to use a top pick on a corner now. In any case, Smoot is going to be our #1 or #2 corner for the majority of next year... and we can push of helping the lines for yet another year.
Signing Hall early BEFORE the big money started getting thrown around was the #1 offseason priority for the skins and they blew it. Good job, Cerrato.
END RANT.
Ruhskins 02-19-2009, 03:30 PM The price for Hall just shot through the roof. The skins are going to wish they had just given hall the 6 year deal with 16M garaunteed averaging around 7M/year when they had the chance. Now, its highly unlikely they can sign him to anything less than 8-9M/year garaunteed. he's going to walk.
Add to that the fact that we're trying to trade Rogers and Smoot sucks, it looks like Springs will be back for another year making an obscene amount of money for a guy who will likely play only half the games.
Unless we overspend on someone like Bly, its highly likely that we are going to have to use a top pick on a corner now. In any case, Smoot is going to be our #1 or #2 corner for the majority of next year... and we can push of helping the lines for yet another year.
Signing Hall early BEFORE the big money started getting thrown around was the #1 offseason priority for the skins and they blew it. Good job, Cerrato.
END RANT.
Well who knows whether Hall's people were waiting for this or not. I guess Hall haters are going to be thrilled if he walks away. Damn.
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