Updated: Discuss our Backup QB Situation (formerly Byron Leftwich)

Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell

Stats are nice and JCs stats compare well but now Flacco & Ryan have taken their teams to the playoffs and won. JC hasnt taken his team anywhere. I think when you look at the talent all three have to work with that JC has the most and still cant score or get the team over the hump. Right now Flacco & Ryan are way ahead of JC on the development scale and JC has a bunch more years in the league than they do.

Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's still total bullshit that you would say this.

You have no idea if this is true. It's just the only thing you cling to in the hopes that you might be right about Campbell.

I actually think seeing the field is one of his biggest strengths. But what do I know, I've only looked at every play this season twice plus. Clearly, your shot-in-the-dark assumptions are more accurate than this.

I am clinging to my views of JC like you are. Its common knowledge & discussion that JC locks on to receivers and from what I know a QB does that because he cant see the field well to look off a receiver and come back to him.

Stats are nice and JCs stats compare well but now Flacco & Ryan have taken their teams to the playoffs and won. JC hasnt taken his team anywhere. I think when you look at the talent all three have to work with that JC has the most and still cant score or get the team over the hump. Right now Flacco & Ryan are way ahead of JC on the development scale and JC has a bunch more years in the league than they do.

I see what you're saying but

-I would argue that Matt Ryan may actually have as much talent, and he didn't win in the playoffs

-I would also argue that the Ravens took Flacco took to the playoffs, not the other way around

I see what you're saying but

-I would argue that Matt Ryan may actually have as much talent, and he didn't win in the playoffs

-I would also argue that the Ravens took Flacco took to the playoffs, not the other way around

Exactly. It always seems like Flacco's stats are something like 11/27, 114 yards, 1 INT. He typically didn't lose the game for them, but he damn sure didn't win it.

Exactly. It always seems like Flacco's stats are something like 11/27, 114 yards, 1 INT. He typically didn't lose the game for them, but he damn sure didn't win it.

It was kind of a Trent Dilfer type contribution. I'm sure JC would of been in the playoffs too if he played for the Ravens.

I am clinging to my views of JC like you are. Its common knowledge & discussion that JC locks on to receivers and from what I know a QB does that because he cant see the field well to look off a receiver and come back to him.It's not common knowledge. You either made it up or heard it from someone that made it up. Either way, since you didn't cite a source, you're endorsing the lack of knowledge.

If the source is an unqualified friend or co-worker, then you're probably better off not citing it.

It's not common knowledge. You either made it up or heard it from someone that made it up. Either way, since you didn't cite a source, you're endorsing the lack of knowledge.

If the source is an unqualified friend or co-worker, then you're probably better off not citing it.

I guess me, my fan friends, and most media i read/hear who say he does lock on to receivers are as expert as you and yours who say he doesnt.

I see what you're saying but

-I would argue that Matt Ryan may actually have as much talent, and he didn't win in the playoffs

-I would also argue that the Ravens took Flacco took to the playoffs, not the other way around

You seem to dismiss that Flacco & Ryan could have gone in and screwed up but they didnt. Had they screwed up their teams wouldnt have made the playoffs.

I see what you're saying but

-I would also argue that the Ravens took Flacco took to the playoffs, not the other way around

Nice perspective on Flacco

If JC has a concerning weakness it may be the inability to sense pressure. But I'm still not completly convinsed of this yet. It could be other contributing factors.

I dont get the disagreement that JC has a tendancy to lock onto receivers? It was mentioned in his profile prior to the 2005 NFL draft (although this is not uncommon in college QBs), its been mentioned in the media countless times as one of his tendancies, and its blatantly obvious when watching games on TV that he does it quite a bit. its not hard to see - its not like hes sneaky about it: you see his entire head pointed at the guy hes going to throw to during the receivers entire route.

This isnt a tangible statistic where someone can say "Jason campbell does it x% while some other QB does it y%... but its an obvious problem that has plagued him most of his career. Some can make excuses (perhaps even legitimate ones) that he stares down his receivers because: 1) he doesnt trust them to run their routes, and 2) he's had to learn so many new systems he's never comfortable with the one he's in - but theres no denying that the tendancy itself exists.