Updated: Discuss our Backup QB Situation (formerly Byron Leftwich)

Zorn was brought here as offensive coordinator not QB coach. As an ex QB he would of course work with JC but its a myth that he was brought here specificall to work with JC. JC just doesnt see the field good enough to ever be more that a borderline NFL QB.Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's still total bullshit that you would say this.

You have no idea if this is true. It's just the only thing you cling to in the hopes that you might be right about Campbell.

I actually think seeing the field is one of his biggest strengths. But what do I know, I've only looked at every play this season twice plus. Clearly, your shot-in-the-dark assumptions are more accurate than this.

Zorn was brought here as offensive coordinator not QB coach. As an ex QB he would of course work with JC but its a myth that he was brought here specificall to work with JC. JC just doesnt see the field good enough to ever be more that a borderline NFL QB.

How can people say this? I watched every game this year, but I wouldn't assume Portis took the wrong hole, or that the W Receivers weren't getting open, or that Jason Campbell cannot read the field. The reason: BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE KNOW.

How can you tell that kind of thing from a broadcast on T.V. anyways? Your never able to see the whole field to begin with.

How can people say this? I watched every game this year, but I wouldn't assume Portis took the wrong hole, or that the W Receivers weren't getting open, or that Jason Campbell cannot read the field. The reason: BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE KNOW.

How can you tell that kind of thing from a broadcast on T.V. anyways? Your never able to see the whole field to begin with.Well, if the point of posting is to say that Jason Campbell is bad, you're not going to point to something that actually happens, obviously. You have to sound convincing without actually knowing what you are talking about.

Geez.

Well maybe if Zorn did'nt have JC bend his knees he could see the field better! :laughing- This stuff about Campbell is getting ridiculously funny. :doh:

Well maybe if Zorn did'nt have JC bend his knees he could see the field better! :laughing- This stuff about Campbell is getting ridiculously funny. :doh:
:lol: the JC bashing is crazy.

It really is getting insane Sammy.

Jason Campbell is not a borderline pro bowler. He never will be. This offense will have to be built from the ground up in every area too finally get our offense moving. He generates absolutley nothing. He's going to be a passable NFL quarterback who relies way too much on the checkdown and is very athletic, he does not have potential either, well just do better and put up more points with a good oline Campbell isn't going to have great strides ever. He's been in the league for three years, showed us the exact same game he showed in college, he can be a decent QB and can win, but he is not a pro bowler and never will be. The whole league has this feeling that he has all the tools but they're taking a wait and see approach to lead a team, unfortunately there isn't much left to know about him. He's one of those guys the league is always basing his performance of expectatiosn and potential rather then just simply what it is, he's a decent QB he can be our starting QB but there's a lot of better ones out there.
I wish I had the sources you have around the "whole league". As most of the JC bashers, your analysis isn't based on any logic, stats or football knowledge. It's just a bunch of the same negative buzz-words/phrases parroted by those who want to be able to say "I told you so" when Campbell struggles. But, you same guys are going to be nowhere to be found when Campbell raises his QB rating into the 90s if we solidify the OL.

Here's the bottom line, as the OL goes, so goes any offense. If an OL struggles I don't care who is at QB, they will struggle. Peyton Manning struggled early in the year with the OL injuries in Indy. To those saying JC doesn't have the potential to be a borderline Pro Bowler, still haven't seen a valid dispute to his Pro Bowl level numbers early in the year.

To your Portis comment: see above, Portis is nowhere near the best RB in the league. He is very good, very solid, but his YPC went drastically south (just like any RBs would) when the OL broke down.

To your Moss comment: If you check, Moss was targeted more than any other Skins WR this year, so he's getting the looks. I also said the Skins WR corps was below average. This is an accurate statement. Here are the teams with better WRs than the Skins:

Giants, Cowboys, Panthers, Falcons, Bucs, Saints, Packers, Lions, Rams, Cards, Chargers, Broncos, Pats, Colts, Texans, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Browns.

These are debatable: Titans, Jets, Vikes, Eagles

That puts us as below average. Moss is not a dominant # 1 receiver. ARE is a 3rd WR at best and the rest are either unproductive rookies or career backups.

It really is getting insane Sammy.
It's like the bashers are blinded to anything productive JC has done and they completely ignore the other issues we had this year. I know I'll get the "JC savior crowd is blinded to anything negative JC does", but it really is frustrating to make reasonable arguments and get the same baseless responses.

It's like the bashers are blinded to anything productive JC has done and they completely ignore the other issues we had this year. I know I'll get the "JC savior crowd is blinded to anything negative JC does", but it really is frustrating to make reasonable arguments and get the same baseless responses.I think it's even more fundamental than that. There are people in the world who can't see the difference between a good argument and a bad one. They just all look the same to them. There are people who will say "Campbell is good because I want him to be good" and others who say "Campbell is good because he continues to improve in QB rating" and these arguments look the same to people: things they disagree with.

I'm really inclined to say it's more of a product of the type of media they've been exposed to than anything, but I know some people personally who definately suffer from the inability to see a bad argument...even when it's most obvious to me.

I still love my mother though :grouphug:

JC has been in the NFL what 5 years and a starter for 2. I'm tired of hearing all this different system stuff. He had more time in Zorn system than Flacco and Ryan (both true rookies) had in theirs. JC has had plenty of time, the best the Skins can hope for is that he will improve a little next year but to expect him to be a pro bowler in 4 years is unrealistic, he will never develop to that level.

Ryan: 16 TDs, 11 INTs, 87.7 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 1-4

Flacco: 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 80.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 0-3

Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 rating, when asked to throw the ball 30 or more times he was 4-2

So it's not like these guys were sooo much better than Campbell