Updated: Discuss our Backup QB Situation (formerly Byron Leftwich)

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2BIG2BSKINNY
02-06-2009, 05:57 PM
perhaps "undisputed future" would have been a better term, but considering the run of mediocre QBs this team has had for 15 years, being a savior here wouldnt entail much more than that.



JC didnt attack defenses because JC doesnt look at his primary target. I only attended one game in person this year (Cardninals), but we had receivers open a number of times in that game and Campbell wasnt even looking at them... he consisently (as indicated in the article i quoted) stares down his check-down guy the entire time instead of looking at his primary target.

JC is also horribly timid in the red-zone. I've heard many people say he is too afraid to make a mistake. Whether thats a fault intrinsic to Campbell, lack of confidence in our receivers, or merely a result of having to learn a new offense nearly every year for the better part of the past decade, the fact remains that it seems true. campbell is unwilling to take chances. While that is one reason why he doesnt throw that many INTs, its also a reason he doesnt throw many touchdowns either.

If Campbell was 2 years younger and had 2 additional years on his contract at a low figure, i wouldnt be wanting to trade him. but the fact is, this is the last year we can realistically trade him and get something in return. Campbell hasnt shown me enough to think he's the future here.

i work in risk management, so i'll put it another way - the risk that campbell fails to become a successful west coast QB in 2009 and we have to look elsewhere for a QB FAR outweighs the risk that if we traded him for a 2nd rounder (or more); he would then go on to his new team and become a perennial pro-bowl QB and we would regret making a rash decision.

By sticking with Campbell, we are really going "all in" this year. If Campbell fails, it means not only is Campbell gone (atleast as a starter) next year, but also that Zorn and the WCO are gone too and we build from scratch again in 2010. New coach; new system; new quarterback. I would argue that sticking with Campbell puts this franchise back far more than moving him now, getting something in return, and keeping the offense in tact. On the flip side, if we were going to "blow this thing up," next year wouldnt be a bad year to do it.

I WENT TO THE CINCY GAME AND THERE WAS NOT ONE ROUTE OVER 25 YARDS!!! This is when the Offense was not doing well. Early on in the Cards game we were very physical and were trying to hammer them with our line play. I agree that JC locks in to Santana way too much! But he has enough, if not tons more than any quarterback who led the Skins to any Superbowl... It may be the cast around him...

But I agree that this is the year that counts! Show me something JC!

Ruhskins
02-06-2009, 05:59 PM
I think if the offensive line had held up, Campbell would have had a great season. Although we need good QB on this team, not a great QB. I mean look at Drew Brees, carried his team through the season, led the league in passing yards, yet in the end they didn't have anything to show for b/c they didn't have a defense, and they had a suspect running game. As we've stated on this site before, we need a balanced team, because I don't think we have an area where the team is at an elite level.

Our defense was good, but not great; the same for our running game (well at least at the beginning of the season, it was very good). Personally, I don't think we can turn this team around by fixing just one thing. We talk about replacing Jason Campbell, but you forget the offensive line. So what if we trade Campbell, if you can't fix your offensive line, not even Tom Brady could improve this whole team. Our defense was a good defense, but yes we should improve on that pass rush. Our Special Teams play was horrible, so there's another area that we need to fix, make sure we have a good kicker and punter that can help us win the close games (kicker) and win the field position battle.

gaudiomatt
02-06-2009, 06:04 PM
I think if the offensive line had held up, Campbell would have had a great season. Although we need good QB on this team, not a great QB. I mean look at Drew Brees, carried his team through the season, led the league in passing yards, yet in the end they didn't have anything to show for b/c they didn't have a defense, and they had a suspect running game. As we've stated on this site before, we need a balanced team, because I don't think we have an area where the team is at an elite level.

Our defense was good, but not great; the same for our running game (well at least at the beginning of the season, it was very good). Personally, I don't think we can turn this team around by fixing just one thing. We talk about replacing Jason Campbell, but you forget the offensive line. So what if we trade Campbell, if you can't fix your offensive line, not even Tom Brady could improve this whole team. Our defense was a good defense, but yes we should improve on that pass rush. Our Special Teams play was horrible, so there's another area that we need to fix, make sure we have a good kicker and punter that can help us win the close games (kicker) and win the field position battle.

I agree with everything you said. Which is why our approach to free agency doesn't work. A team has to find its own way to make it work. Big ben isn't necessarily a perfect QB but he's a true steeler and they've found out how to make it work with him. Or you could go the Warner route and get one of those QBs who just wins games. We are not looking at that situation. We just need to make it work with Campbell, and that means getting a line that isn't fing ridiculously old and can't last 16 games. Brennan should be given a shot if Campbell doesn't perform he's going to be good. The only position that matters what round you were picked in in this league is WR, CB, T, DE, other then that its a crab shoot. Half the QBs in this league starting were never expected to be a franchise QB.

gaudiomatt
02-06-2009, 06:07 PM
With a healthy OL he was putting up Pro Bowl level numbers in the first 8 games, first season in the WCO, with a below average WR corps.

He also managed to have the best RB in the league by 300 yards when he was putting up those numbers.

Ruhskins
02-06-2009, 06:08 PM
I agree with everything you said. Which is why our approach to free agency doesn't work. A team has to find its own way to make it work. Big ben isn't necessarily a perfect QB but he's a true steeler and they've found out how to make it work with him. Or you could go the Warner route and get one of those QBs who just wins games. We are not looking at that situation. We just need to make it work with Campbell, and that means getting a line that isn't fing ridiculously old and can't last 16 games. Brennan should be given a shot if Campbell doesn't perform he's going to be good. The only position that matters what round you were picked in in this league is WR, CB, T, DE, other then that its a crab shoot. Half the QBs in this league starting were never expected to be a franchise QB.

Would you start Brennan if Campbell begins to fail because he has to run for his life due to a crappy offensive line? I agree that if JC fails on his own, we should give Brennan a chance (like when Brunell sucked, JC was given the start). But if our o-line turns JC into a punching bag, then putting Brennan there would like when Spurrier traumatized Ramsey with the lack of protection.

Ruhskins
02-06-2009, 06:09 PM
He also managed to have the best RB in the league by 300 yards when he was putting up those numbers.

Because the offensive line was working during the first half. So as I said, is all about balance. The offensive line declined, the running game declined, so did the pass protection, and the offense went to sh!t because of it.

sandtrapjack
02-06-2009, 06:36 PM
Well this just popped up on CNN-SI, some here may get thier wish if this has any legs:

Redskins, Jason Campbell Could Part Ways After '09 Season

Posted Feb 6th 2009 1:55 PM by Ryan Wilson (http://www.fanhouse.com/bloggers/ryan-wilson/) (author feed (http://www.fanhouse.com/bloggers/ryan-wilson/rss.xml))
Filed Under: Redskins (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/washington-redskins/), NFC East (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfc-east/), NFL Draft (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-draft/), NFL Fans (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-fans/), NFL Free Agency (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-free-agency/), NFL Rumors (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-rumors/)
http://www.blogcdn.com/nfl.fanhouse.com/media/2009/02/jason-campbell-was-020609.jpgThe offseason got underway Thursday, and the Patriots wasted little time in franchising (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/05/patriots-franchise-matt-cassel/) Matt Cassel (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/tag/MattCassel/). What they plan to do with him remains a mystery, but there are plenty of teams in need of quarterback help.

In fact, if you believe National Football Post's Michael Lombardi, nearly a third of NFL franchises could stand an upgrade at the position. The Lions and Vikings top the list, obviously, but Lombardi also thinks the Redskins could be in the market for a new quarterback, if not this offseason, then in a year's time (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/national-football-post-diner-news-93/). The 'Skins are going to live and die with their current quarterback, Jason Campbell, and have put the word out that they will not be players in the free-agent market. However, they will need to consider making this move and should do their homework before they dismiss the notion of a trade. Trust me on this, a year from now the 'Skins will be looking for a quarterback.


Redskins, Jason Campbell Could Part Ways After '09 Season - NFL FanHouse (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/06/redskins-jason-campbell-could-be-parting-ways-after-09-season/)

44ever
02-06-2009, 06:51 PM
if JC wins in 09 he's not going anywhere! Complete speculation here

Meks
02-06-2009, 07:08 PM
no thanks...

Ruhskins
02-06-2009, 07:13 PM
Well this just popped up on CNN-SI, some here may get thier wish if this has any legs:

Redskins, Jason Campbell Could Part Ways After '09 Season

Posted Feb 6th 2009 1:55 PM by Ryan Wilson (http://www.fanhouse.com/bloggers/ryan-wilson/) (author feed (http://www.fanhouse.com/bloggers/ryan-wilson/rss.xml))
Filed Under: Redskins (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/washington-redskins/), NFC East (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfc-east/), NFL Draft (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-draft/), NFL Fans (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-fans/), NFL Free Agency (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-free-agency/), NFL Rumors (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-rumors/)
http://www.blogcdn.com/nfl.fanhouse.com/media/2009/02/jason-campbell-was-020609.jpgThe offseason got underway Thursday, and the Patriots wasted little time in franchising (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/05/patriots-franchise-matt-cassel/) Matt Cassel (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/tag/MattCassel/). What they plan to do with him remains a mystery, but there are plenty of teams in need of quarterback help.

In fact, if you believe National Football Post's Michael Lombardi, nearly a third of NFL franchises could stand an upgrade at the position. The Lions and Vikings top the list, obviously, but Lombardi also thinks the Redskins could be in the market for a new quarterback, if not this offseason, then in a year's time (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/national-football-post-diner-news-93/). The 'Skins are going to live and die with their current quarterback, Jason Campbell, and have put the word out that they will not be players in the free-agent market. However, they will need to consider making this move and should do their homework before they dismiss the notion of a trade. Trust me on this, a year from now the 'Skins will be looking for a quarterback.


Redskins, Jason Campbell Could Part Ways After '09 Season - NFL FanHouse (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/06/redskins-jason-campbell-could-be-parting-ways-after-09-season/)


It would be very idiotic of the Redskins to part ways with JC right now, especially to get Cassel. The reason Cassel went 11-5 was because of Darth Hoody, the Pats offensive line, the easy a$$ schedule the Pats had, Randy Moss/Wes Welker, and the very good defense that the Pats have.

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