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SBXVII 02-10-2009, 04:10 PM Hope this explains a little better or perhaps reiterates what everyone is saying:
Changing a base defense not as easy as 1, 2, 3-4 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ea8c1d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)
Whiteboi_J 02-10-2009, 06:31 PM Man, first off, don't fix nothin' that ain't broke. why switch to a 3-4 when our 4-3 was ranked 4th in the league in D this year?
2nd, the teams makin the switch this year (packers and someone else) all have a lot of draft picks, and a coach that understands the 3-4 Defense.
3rd, we don't have the draft picks required to make the transition to a 3-4 defense, nor enough current personnel to make it work....we'd need to draft several LBs, plus all a hoss of a DT, which we don't have.....
Basically, we gotta finish piecin' together our offense first before we start re-vamping our defense....i think if we get a great OL FA, then draft 2 OL this year, we should be pretty set, and could spend our 1-3 round picks next year on our front 7
^ i cant agree with not upgrading both THIS off-season.
both lines need some kind of help O more than D but still... you do NOT flat ignore the front 7 right now.
The Goat 02-11-2009, 12:45 AM That's similar to what I said earlier, most notably the Skins have passed on a lot of 3-4 OLB/DEs in years when we drafted defense high, e.g. Merriman & Ware in 05. I know that those guys didn't fit the mold of our 4-3, neither did guys like Woodley, who was rated high at one point, then dropped to the 2nd round.
Teams that play the 3-4 well seem to be getting great production from these tweener guys. I think they're as much or more key to it than the nose tackle. btw, J. Ratcliff of Dallas isn't that big but he's quick & strong. Maybe he's not a good example of a 3-4 NT but he's the only smaller one I can think of that's any good.
Not sure whether that has been noted here before but that seems very insightful to me. Not to say these "tweeners" don't/can't make great LBs in the 4-3 system but I think they're passed up as OLBs in the 4-3 system cause maybe they're seen as being a little too big to be effective in coverage or something. That's just a guess.
The Goat 02-11-2009, 01:00 AM ^ i cant agree with not upgrading both THIS off-season.
both lines need some kind of help O more than D but still... you do NOT flat ignore the front 7 right now.
I'm not sure there's a whole lot to do w/ the d-line this year. First off, as GTripp has suggested our d-line is basically set up to stop the run more than anything, and we do that extremely well. I'm saying it doesn't really appear our d-tackles are expected to get to the QB all the time, though it would be nice, instead we see them plug gaps first and then push toward the QB if it's a pass. That leaves the ends and honestly I think we all we're a little disappointed this season. AC had 10 or 11 sacks in '07 but just a few in '08 - that really surprised me. Obviously Taylor was disappointing and then Evans really seemed to slow down in the second half of the season. However, i'm not sure there's much to be improved at the DE position either. AC is set at his position, hopefully he can have another "up year" in '09. Evans is still young enough, and still gaining more experience through playing more, than maybe we can expect and bigger year from him too. But basically there isn't some amazing DE on the market to solve all our problems. It's a high demand limited supply position this year which means Peppers will command big dough and my best guess is we could do better spending our FA money elsewhere to help the d... at SLB. A badass on the strong side will do more for our pass rush than a DT or DE IMHO. Remember Marcus provided sacks and QB pressure before he slowed down. A nice upgrade to replace him, like Suggs, would be awesome.
^ i see ur point... and agree with suggs, i'd like a bigger, badder DT as well honestly...
SBXVII 02-11-2009, 11:16 AM This blog got me looking at all our players again. We have a lot of players around the same size at each different position DE, DT, and LB. I hope I wrote that right. LOL. If any of the young guys could not get injured and actually step up talent wise, then I think we will be ok on D. The problem is injuries and talent.
DT:
Griffin: 6-3 311, 9yrs playing.
Evans: 6-4 275, 7yrs playing.
Boschetti: 6-4 311, 5yrs playing.
Montgomery: 6-6 315, 3yrs playing.
Golston: 6-4 320, 3yrs playing.
Alexander: 6-1 300, 2yrs playing.
The only one I question is Griffin. Is he going to be cut for money or any other reason?
DE:
Daniells: I assume cut. 13yrs playing. Injury prone.
Carter: 6-4 252, 8yrs playing.
Wilson: 6-4 246, 2yrs playing.
Buzbee: 6-3 265, 1yr playing. I think he was injured last yr.
Rob Jackson: 6-4 259, R. Unknown.
I honestly think we are short at DE now that I look at it.
LB:
J.Taylor: 6-5 244, 12yrs playing. He should be listed under DE's. Possible cut $.
Fletcher: 5-10 245, 11yrs playing. A few good yrs left.
Washington: 6-3 248, 9yrs playing. injury prone. Possible cut $.
Campbell: 6-2 232, 7yrs playing.
Fincher: 6-1 238, 3yrs playing.
McIntosh: 6-2 232, 3yrs playing.
Rian Wallace: 6-3 243, 3yrs playing.
Blades: 5-10 250, 2yrs playing.
Sinclair: 6-2 245, 2yrs playing.
Tyson Smith: 6-2 250, 2yrs playing.
Out of this batch I can see Taylor, Washington possibly being let go. That's 2 out of 10.
I'm terrible with who plays ILB and OLB so maybe we will need to fill certain spots.
Also we picked up some people at the end of the season who are on these lists and not sure how they will pan out.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume Daniels will be cut. If he's 100% I think he'll be back for one more season. He's a Blache guy and he's still a pretty stout player against the run.
SBXVII 02-11-2009, 11:33 AM I wouldn't be so quick to assume Daniels will be cut. If he's 100% I think he'll be back for one more season. He's a Blache guy and he's still a pretty stout player against the run.
Yes. I couldn't remember if it was Griffin or Daniels who is always injured, every year. One of them is not to bad even though they have yrs playing.
I think it also boils down to $ and how much they will reap by cutting someone.
GridIron26 02-11-2009, 01:49 PM Thought this would be perfect article for this thread
Changing a base defense not as easy as 1, 2, 3-4 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ea8c1d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)
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