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Defensewins 02-06-2009, 02:26 PM The biggest issue with going to a 3-4 (although I love that defensive scheme) is our lack of a wide bodied Nose Tackle to clog the middle. Without that, the 3-4 is no good (think Cleveland Browns before Shaun Rogers). All great 3-4 teams have a hube NT to clog the middle like Casey Hampton of the Steelers. Plus we have limited depth at LB. It would take years to properly convert to a 3-4... and a new coordinator.
You are correct. Our roster is not built for the 3-4. We do not have a strong, powerful and skilled enough NT like (Pit) Casey Hampton or (Ravens) Haloti Ngata that can control two gaps, either side of the center. I am not talking about size, I am talking about strength and skill enough to manhandle the other teams center and guard.
The only one that might be able to do it for a little while until he gets hurt is Griffen.
Montgomery, Golston and Alexander do not have the ability. Montgomery has the size but he has not displayed the strength or skill to cover two gaps. He can cover one well, but not two which is the requirement for a 3-4 defense to be able to stop the run effectively.
Ruhskins 02-06-2009, 02:29 PM Bingo too that, are defense was a top 10 last year, so why would we want to get rid of a quality coordinator in Blache??? Also, we don't have close to the right personel for this kind of D, I think our biggest DL is Griffin, and who knows how long he is gonna be around. What the team does in FA should answer what path our D will be going down. Does anyone support bringing Peppers or Haynesworth to the team, I would also mention Suggs, but I think he is staying a Raven.
Agreed with the first point, I don't know why people want to get rid of Blache so badly. Did he coach the offensive line or something? Because otherwise, I feel the defense keept this team from being worst than 8-8.
On your last question, I don't think the team can afford a Haynesworth or Peppers, nor do I think they plan to go after a high profile free agent.
gdrskins 02-06-2009, 02:55 PM I think that wold be a good idea!!!!
freddyg12 02-06-2009, 03:29 PM First off, this is a worthwhile discussion at this time of year. Second,let's not give to much credit to the #4 ranking. Sure, the D kept us in games, but I believe that by season's end they were just above avg. Offenses knew that if they were patient our D couldn't shut them down entirely. I know they were on the field a long time in some games, but they are not as imposing as a #4 ranking would seem. Next year they could really fall hard.
I never liked the 3-4 just because the Skins never have run it. But I also didn't like the WCO for the same reason, just seems foreign. When I think about it though, what makes these 3-4 teams stand out are the linebackers. The system allows tweener guys to develop, whereas those same guys are often undersized in a 4-3.
The style of systems being used is often a reflection of the types of players available. Seems these days there are a lot of guys that can play OLB/DE in a 3-4 that are not really suited to be 4-3 DEs.
Ever wonder why so many 4-3 DEs are busts in the draft? yet you don't hear about many OLBs that are busts. The Skins have passed up a lot of talented 3-4 OLB/DEs, a position which seems to be a surplus in the college ranks. Take a look at this year's DEs, most of them aren't over 255-260 lbs. For that reason alone, a 3-4 makes sense to me, but only if the whole staff is blown up. Otherwise, it's not practical anytime soon.
53Fan 02-06-2009, 03:55 PM First off, this is a worthwhile discussion at this time of year. Second,let's not give to much credit to the #4 ranking. Sure, the D kept us in games, but I believe that by season's end they were just above avg. Offenses knew that if they were patient our D couldn't shut them down entirely. I know they were on the field a long time in some games, but they are not as imposing as a #4 ranking would seem. Next year they could really fall hard.
I never liked the 3-4 just because the Skins never have run it. But I also didn't like the WCO for the same reason, just seems foreign. When I think about it though, what makes these 3-4 teams stand out are the linebackers. The system allows tweener guys to develop, whereas those same guys are often undersized in a 4-3.
The style of systems being used is often a reflection of the types of players available. Seems these days there are a lot of guys that can play OLB/DE in a 3-4 that are not really suited to be 4-3 DEs.
Ever wonder why so many 4-3 DEs are busts in the draft? yet you don't hear about many OLBs that are busts. The Skins have passed up a lot of talented 3-4 OLB/DEs, a position which seems to be a surplus in the college ranks. Take a look at this year's DEs, most of them aren't over 255-260 lbs. For that reason alone, a 3-4 makes sense to me, but only if the whole staff is blown up. Otherwise, it's not practical anytime soon.
Good post. There seems to be an abundance of "tweeners" in this years draft. A lot of these guys who are passed over could probably make an impact in the 3-4. With these type of players and the success of the Pittsburgh defense among others, this may be something to start gearing for in the future. I don't see it happening with the Skins in the near future though. Blache is a 4-3 guy. I do like his "cobra" package which brings something different to the table.
Hamoskinz 02-06-2009, 05:06 PM I like the idea but not next year, rather something we look at 3-4 years down the line IF we have a coach who can install it and 4-5 players on our rosters who could fit the 3-4 Defense. Right now, the key pieces which are caoch, NT and OLB, we do not have. Montgomery cannot be a NT, he doesn't cover the 2 gap and handle the double teams as it, and offenses would have field day running up the middle. Carter is too small to be a 3-4 DE and probably a poor OLB.
Lets stick with the 4-3 D for now, though we are #4 overall, we are much worse in terms of sacks, ints, FFs except yds given up.
What I love about the 3-4 D is its versatility and how it disguises its blitzing and coverage schemes (Pitts & Baltimore). QBs have a hard time reading who is blitzing and who is in coverage, something we currently lack or we are not executing properly. The only exotic blitz we have in our arsenal is the SS or CB blitz which arrives 5 secs late and gives up the big play.
GhettoDogAllStars 02-06-2009, 05:11 PM It's probably already been said, but you can't run a 3-4 without a massive, dominant nose tackle. Last time I checked, we don't have one.
over the mountain 02-06-2009, 05:13 PM ^^ damn fine first post there hamoskinz . .welcome aboard.
and nice insight/opinion there freddyg, never really thought of that. makes sense to me, id like to see some kinda data or fact based analysis on it.
go skins!!
4:11 pm is the new 5:00 pm. im outta here!!
Skinny Tee 02-06-2009, 05:32 PM It's probably already been said, but you can't run a 3-4 without a massive, dominant nose tackle. Last time I checked, we don't have one.
As if we didn't have enough of a positional laundry list entering the draft this year.
With our team's volatile nature the last thing we need to do is switch our only consistent aspect.
Hamoskinz 02-06-2009, 10:01 PM ^^ damn fine first post there hamoskinz . .welcome aboard.
Cheers:food-smil
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