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weve been in essentially the same defense for nearly a decade (Lewis, Williams, and now Blache). People want something new for the sake of having something new. The only way i'd want the 3-4 here is if it meant we were getting rid of Blache for a defensive coordinator who isnt scared to attack. However, since our offense is in shambles and our defense is the only thing our team can consider a strength, id shudder to think of how bad we'd be in 2009 while transitioning to a 3-4.
That's usually the case, and a pretty lame reason to me. If something works why blow it up and "fix it"?
T.O.Killa 02-05-2009, 03:04 PM The reason I like the 3-4 is that it seems to be winning more superbowls and we have a bunch of de that are realy LB size. We also have a bunch of DL that are tweeners in the 4-3. Like Daniels, Evans, and Alexander. I agree our coaches may not be the best fit. But Lewis certainly was able to run a 4-3 here and a 3-4 in Bmore, so maybe they can.
Ruhskins 02-05-2009, 03:07 PM The reason I like the 3-4 is that it seems to be winning more superbowls and we have a bunch of de that are realy LB size. We also have a bunch of DL that are tweeners in the 4-3. Like Daniels, Evans, and Alexander. I agree our coaches may not be the best fit. But Lewis certainly was able to run a 4-3 here and a 3-4 in Bmore, so maybe they can.
Why would you completely change the only part of our team that has kept us from having a losing season 3 out of the past four seasons? Just because the two teams in the Superbowl have the 3-4 defense?
Slingin Sammy 33 02-05-2009, 03:07 PM No, No and No. It won't happen anyway, as Blache is a 4-3 guy. You don't change your system on O or D based on if a particular team has success (Steelers / Pats). They build their teams and coach their players from a 3-4 mindset. You don't just make that type of switch and expect success the near term. Our D was not bad last year, they couldn't get off the field in critical situations and lacked playmakers (related issue). But to make a wholesale change would be irresponsible and unsuccessful.
Out of the top 10 scoring defenses, 6 run a 4-3, Giants, Eagles, Titans, Redskins, Colts, Bucs. The 11-13 teams are all 4-3 teams (Falcons, Panthers, Vikes). San Diego made the transition from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and played better down the stretch under this scheme.
We don't have the personnel to play the 3-4. You mentioned moving Taylor ($ 8M cap hit, best days are well behind him, 34 yrs. old, had 29 tackles last year @ $ +275K per tackle), Carter ($ 6.5M cap hit, 29 yrs. old and based on cap numbers probably won't be here in 2011, 37 tackles last year at approx $ 150K per tackle), Griff (32 yrs. old,27 tackles last year, will be a cap release this year or definitely next) or Montgomery (back-up) at NT, Daniels (35 & coming off major knee surgery), Evans (back-up), Gholston (back-up) at DEs. We would be in the bottom third of defenses and would get smashed like Mike Nolan's defenses when he was here.
We need to stay with our current scheme. Depending what happens in FA (probably nothing to help, Haynesworth will be too $$$ and could be a bust once he cashes a big check) and early in the draft if by some miracle BJ Raji falls to us that would be some help for the DL. It will really depend IMO if the top level OTs are gone and Raji is gone, we may be able to trade down and pick up a second rounder. In that case a Peria Jerry, Tyson Jackson or O-sack-po (although he would be better at RDE than LDE) could provide DL help and we would still have a 2nd rounder to spend on OL. However an Alex Mack or Max Unger might be a better first rounder and Jackson may still be there in the 2nd.
T.O.Killa 02-05-2009, 03:19 PM Why would you completely change the only part of our team that has kept us from having a losing season 3 out of the past four seasons? Just because the two teams in the Superbowl have the 3-4 defense?
I dont think our defense was a good as the stats. Our Offense was horrible. All any team had to do was score, and play concervative. I also think our talent is better siuted to it. We need a pass rush. Teams that have used the 3-4 for a long time, New England, and Pittsburg.
mvb2328 02-05-2009, 03:26 PM I dont think our defense was a good as the stats. Our Offense was horrible. All any team had to do was score, and play concervative. I also think our talent is better siuted to it. We need a pass rush. Teams that have used the 3-4 for a long time, New England, and Pittsburg.
don't mess with a defense that is ranked 4th in the league!
Ruhskins 02-05-2009, 03:29 PM I dont think our defense was a good as the stats. Our Offense was horrible. All any team had to do was score, and play concervative. I also think our talent is better siuted to it. We need a pass rush. Teams that have used the 3-4 for a long time, New England, and Pittsburg.
I wouldn't compare our defense with New England or Pittsburgh, b/c those teams actually have an offense that compliments their good defense (well in Pittsburgh's case, in New England's case they have a powerful offense that goes along with their good defense). But I think our defense is the reason we haven't had four straight losing seasons. Given our problems with the defensive line and our aging LB group, I think your assessment of having the talent suited to a 3-4 defense is flawed. Furthermore, our team needs to focus on the offensive line and is restricted by salary cap, aging veterans' contracts, and four draft picks. So you're being a bit ambitious with your proposal.
skinsfan69 02-05-2009, 03:36 PM We don't have the personel to run a 3-4. I don't see NT's like Casey Hampton or Jamal Williams on our roster and I sure as hell don't see pass rushers like Shawn Merriman, James Harrison or Demarcus Ware anywhere on our roster. We're fine playing a 4-3. We just need to draft a 4-3 end that can cause some havoc.
skinsfan69 02-05-2009, 03:38 PM The reason I like the 3-4 is that it seems to be winning more superbowls and we have a bunch of de that are realy LB size. We also have a bunch of DL that are tweeners in the 4-3. Like Daniels, Evans, and Alexander. I agree our coaches may not be the best fit. But Lewis certainly was able to run a 4-3 here and a 3-4 in Bmore, so maybe they can.
I don't think Marvin Lewis ran a 3-4 in Balt. When they won the SB in 2000 they ran a 4-3. Mike Nolan ran the 3-4.
T.O.Killa 02-05-2009, 03:43 PM [/b]
I don't think Marvin Lewis ran a 3-4 in Balt. When they won the SB in 2000 they ran a 4-3. Mike Nolan ran the 3-4.
I thought Baltimore always ran a 3-4.
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