2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts

I know theres probably been a lot of these but I just wanted to throw some ideas out there see how people react they might not all be possible but I think the ideas make a lot of sense.

1. Cut all the enormous contracts on this team not performing. This has to be done with some timing though I don't think it should all be done on day one.

A. Shawn Springs
B. Marcus Washington
C. Cornelius Griffin
D. Reed Doughty
E. Phillip Daniels
F. Casey Rabach
G. Shawn Suisham
H. Jason Fabini
I. James Thrash
H. Let Golston and Kendall go

Well you probably can't and shouldn't cut all of them. But here are my thoughts: Springs-I'd love to keep him if possible; Griffin-if we get an interior DL then just let him go. He's given us four solid years but I don't know that he can give us five; Doughty-love the guy but there's no place for him here; Daniels-very underrated but a 35 year old coming off a torn ACL really can't add much value to us at this point; Washington-see Griffin; Golston-he's young, works hard, and is solid depth, keep him; Suisham-I'm telling you we'd all like to think he's gone but it's not a lock, not by a long shot; Rabach/Fabini/Kendall-we just can't afford to let them all go because we probably won't add enough pieces to the OL in one offseason. I think Fabini is gone though.

B. Resign Montgomery and Alexander for cheap salaries. This should be pretty easy.

I have a feeling keeping Montgomery may not be so easy, but in the end I think he stays. Alexander should be a lock

1. Sign Buccaneers personel man Bruce Allen as our GM, a team with a great track record of drafting lineman and getting quality skill players when he takes them early.

On the Allen bandwagon, I see. What quality skill players are you referring to? Michael Clayton? Maurice Stovall? Dexter Jackson?

2. Sign Stacy Andrews to take over at RT, he should be cheap coming off an injury and is a quality tackle. He can play at pro bowl levels, if he doesn't perform stephon heyer can take over and Jansen is a solid backup.

Not a bad pickup, but you probably have to decide before you even sign Andrews that Heyer or Jansen is gone

7. Key message, fill holes without breaking bank on massive contracts especialy guys like Gross or Peppers or Haynesworth. We have a track record of making these guys not live up to the money we give them. This seems reasonable to me and with the cuts we would have made we should have some decent money to spend. [QUOTE]

I see what you're saying and I can see the team heading in that direction, but I don't think our problem is that we need to find quality depth to fill holes so much as we need quality starters to allow the quality depth we currently have to go back to being quality depth, instead of being thrust into starter roles and be overmatched.

[QUOTE]Draft:
1. Trade out of 13 pick to something in the 22 - 28 range. Try and get a third and sixth rounder in the process.
1. 1st round 26th pick - Peria Jerry DT.
2. 3rd round A - Eric Wood or Jonathon Luigs C.
3. 3rd Round B - Connor Barwin DE. If he's not there go G or DE.
4. 5th round A - Zach Fulton LB
5. 5th Round B - Pat White QB who probably won't be there but if he's not fill our roster out with needs on the oline and dline.

Another person jumping on Barwin Bandwagon :)

Also if we don't get a tackle in free agency and take one with our first pick I will freak the F out worse then I did last year. Cerratto is an idiot and he did whatever the hell he wanted last year and got everyone to jump on the WR bandwagon with him, It's the same idiots who agreed with that who are going to jump on the RT or DE bandwagon this year. If Cerratto manages to get the flashiest player he can at either position and not improve the interior of our O and D lines I am going to be so incredibly pist off as the team fails to make the playoffs again I might actually kill him.

LOL. No doubt. I've said more than once that if we don't use our first pick overall (whether it's the 13th pick or lower b/c of a trade) on an offensive lineman, I'm changing the channel.

LOL. No doubt. I've said more than once that if we don't use our first pick overall (whether it's the 13th pick or lower b/c of a trade) on an offensive lineman, I'm changing the channel.

What if it's a defensive lineman?

What if it's a defensive lineman?

Actually, I'll be okay with a D-lineman as our 1st choice if we've traded down and have added at least a 2nd round pick as a result. That will be, of course, if we use said 2nd round pick on the O-line. Sigh... I just want so badly for us to use draft picks on lineman.

My thoughts on your thoughts:

(A) S.Springs should be let go, or restructured for a short term contract to move over to safety. Give him a two year contract at least until he can be replaced through the draft or with an undrafted rookie. He's a better football player than Hall, Smoot, or Rogers, period, when you can get him on the field. He does owe us some money though.

(B) M.Washington, Cut and resign on the cheap. If you let him go you have to replace him. Keep him around until we have someone to replace him with. A healthy rested M.Washington is a good asset to have waiting on the bench in week 12 2009 when Alfred Fincher or M.SinClair go down for the rest of the season. He's the most likely to go though.

(C) C. Griffin, Keep for another year until he can be replaced through the draft. We don't have a quality player to replace him with.

(D) R.Doughty, Resign on the cheap, This will probably happen. Horton was injured at the end of last year. He's a draft pick and a free agent. If I'm not mistaken if he isn't resigned we get a pick in future drafts

(E) P.Daniels, Cut. We've got three live bodies to fill that hole for now and we can replace him through the draft next year.

(F) C.Raback, Let the man compete for a spot as a guard or tackle. If he doesn't cut it as a starter or at least a quality back-up, cut him at the final 53 man roster date.

(G) S.Suisham, Competition will be brought in during the training camp at this position and for the punter spot. JZ has already stated this. He's a FA and we'll probably let him go regardless unless we can't find someone better.

(H) J.Fabini, cut.

(I) James Thrash, there's no reason to keep him on the roster. He's doing nothing on special teams and the rookie WRs need field time for better or worse. Bring an undrafted rookie or a modestly priced FA to replace him.

(J) K.Golston, He's a free agent this year. Toss up? His back up (A.montgomery) is another draft pick and also a free agent. It would be unwise to let both of them go in favor of a FA who doesn't know the system.

(K) P.Kendall, Why let him go if just to save money? He's also a free agent and if you let him go you still have to bring in another FA to replace him. Is Rhinehardt ready to go? Is Devon Clark? He's old but is he getting beat? Of all the O-linemen he's one of the keepers. We can't replace the whole O-line in one draft.

I'm not sold on Hall. I'd like to have all of the Secondary back next year including Smoot. We'll probably have to replace him later on. The Secondary is the least of our problems right now.

Montgomery and Evans are free agents this year and draft picks. Alexander is neither. There isn't anyone else on right side DT.

Sign Rogers, he's good enough for a pay day and has room for growth. I wouldn't break the bank for Hall or Rogers. What they offered Hall should be good enough for Rogers. I like Rogers more but Greg Blache fired him from his starting position for a reason.

(1) Bruce Allen shouldn't be hired as a GM. If anything he can brought in to help with the Cap. No GM is going to come here if we don't keep Vinny a few years calling the shots. If anything we should get someone who is a better GM than Allen or Cerato like, dare I say it, the Tuna. They'll not come unless Snyder lives down his reputation of meddling and gives Vinny total control for at least the tenure of JZ. They should both go at the same time. If or when they do then we can totally rebuild.

(2) The word on the street is that Jansen is going over to guard until next year when he'll be released because of the Cap.

(3) Stacy Andrews at RT, yep. Not to mention Willie Colon, Max Starks. Jahri Evans, Chris Kemoeatu, Mark Setterstrom, or Jovan Hayes. These guys can be a quick hole to plug at Tackle until we can get a draft pick for the position and get him up to speed.

(4) Jovan Haye, younger hole filler until we can draft that position.

(5) Rickie Incognito or Jason Brown. I'd rather draft Alex Mack. Either way Raback is getting beat at that poition.

(6) Sign Michael Boley, Leroy Hill, or Angelo Crowell. Why not? They'll not command a lot of money. Bring in some undrafted rookies to compete during training camp.

(7) Sign a cheap veteran CB to give us some more depth after letting springs go. (I can see that) I'd rather give Tryon the playing time and have an undrafted rookie on the bench.

(8) Shane Graham or Mick Nuggent? This will probably happen.

(9) Key message, fill holes without breaking the bank on massive contracts, especialy on guys like Gross, Peppers, or Haynesworth. We have a track record of making FAs not live up to the money we give them. This seems reasonable to me. With the cuts we should have some decent money to spend.
(Agreed. I would consider Jordan Gross though only because he's younger than Peppers and Haynesworth, nor does he have their durability issues. We also have better luck with FA on the lines. Almost all of our offensive line-men are FAs. Jansen, Heyer, and Rhinehardt are draft picks.)

Don't waste a 13th pick. We might or might not get that good of a pick for a long time. We need the best player available for need. That is Jason Smith or Alex Mack. Yes, we argued this already on the other thread. But with either of these players we'll get a solid guy for years to come and that is a real need for us right now.

We can argue the draft until the cows come home. I think if we get a tackle or Center we should get the best available and those are our most pressing needs right now.

Actually, I'll be okay with a D-lineman as our 1st choice if we've traded down and have added at least a 2nd round pick as a result. That will be, of course, if we use said 2nd round pick on the O-line. Sigh... I just want so badly for us to use draft picks on lineman.

I think one or two will be, but not all.

I think one or two will be, but not all.

I don't need all of our draft picks to be lineman, but one or two (early picks preferably) will help.

I don't need all of our draft picks to be lineman, but one or two (early picks preferably) will help.

Well, if they stay with four picks I'm guessing one offensive lineman, one linebacker, one running back and a head-scratcher, like say a safety.

I'm not really expecting a defensive lineman to be drafted unless it's the first pick in the draft (the Redskins first pick that is). But who knows

On the Allen bandwagon, I see. What quality skill players are you referring to? Michael Clayton? Maurice Stovall? Dexter Jackson?


I'm only on the Allen bandwagon because it's a rumor right now.
Pros: I think he would be interesting here because he has some qualities that are very unique. First things first; the guy has taken a player in every round of the draft every year he's been there. Having our draft picks would be pretty fing nice around here. Two the guy gets high intensity aggressive players with a lot of fire which is what I like. The Buccanneers are and have been a hard hitting team so that might be Gruden, might just be the John Lynch era but I wouldn't mind that mentality. He drafts a lot of Olineman and Dlineman. The Bucs have a good amount of depth. So I like all of that and if Gruden doesn't find work I don't think he should be GM here but I'm sure Snyder could pay him enough to become a part of the organization which would be nice for our brain trust not to be 2/3 cerratto and snyder every year. Maybe Allen hires the cheerleaders too the Bucs are by far the best in the league.

Cons: He's tied at the hip with Gruden so if Gruden finds work he's not coming here. He's just took Talib the CB in the late first round and the guy has performed very well as a starter. Other then that Mark Clayton is the only guy he's really taken recently. The Bucs can fight but they don't have a ton of talent on that team anymore, in any position. They have a terrible QB situation there in my opinion I don't want that. His team is 45$ million under the cap, which I'm sure Snyder would like but that doesn't make any sense to me, why would you not want to spend that and pick up players thats just cheap in my opinion even though it takes a lot of skill. With us approaching no salary cap that talent would also be kinda useless.

So overall I would like this guy to be here, But really I just want Cerratto to get the f out of D.C. more.

Well, if they stay with four picks I'm guessing one offensive lineman, one linebacker, one running back and a head-scratcher, like say a safety.

I'm not really expecting a defensive lineman to be drafted unless it's the first pick in the draft (the Redskins first pick that is). But who knows

I'd be just fine with that if the 1st of our 4 picks is O-line, and we are active but smart in the FA market.