2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts

I doubt the team will do it or call it, but "if" the team was truely about getting younger and decided to call it "Rebuild" time then I've seen some posts on other sites that make some sense.

dad23hogjrs
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

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Blow it up?

Sure, here are some guys that would be a part of the "destruction"

ARE - moving him would increase our # against the cap 600k, we are already 3-4 M over, depending on where you get your info

Jansen - I've seen people coming for his head...great, that will cost you 2.78 million against the cap

Portis - YEAH, LETS GET CRAZY...crazy will cost you 7.7 M against the cap

Some other guys that not everyone is pointing pitch forks at, but would fit into blowing it up...

R. Thomas - costs you 4.5 M to move him; Moss - 464k against the cap to move; everyone on the "Trade Rogers" bandwagon - check this out - 1.43 M against the cap to pull that trigger

and my personal favorite:
"Trade cooley for a #2 OR 3" - that will cost you 8.1 M against the cap

We found a gem....so now you want to trade him so we can maybe do it again...but most likely not...makes sense.


You can't "Blow it Up" completely

why? because we laced the place with plutonium...


guys you can get rid of - more of a wittling

Springs - Saves 6M
Taylor - Saves 8.5M
M. Washington - Saves 4.5M
Griffin - Saves 3.62M
Rabach - Saves 2.35M
Daniels - Saves 2.3M

Sorry to say, everyone else costs you against the cap, or is worth more than what they save you against the cap.


Then someone came up with this nice idea.

DarthMonk
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:

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Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things:

1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year.

2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks.

"Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four."

Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch).

I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get

1) 13 million of immediate relief

2) 30 million in space in 1 year

3) 4 more draft picks

4) younger

We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year.

Cooley is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper.

We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out:

Alex Mack, 2009 NFL Draft Prospect (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Alex_Mack.htm)

DarthMonk



Maybe it's possible maybe not I leave that up to you CAP guys but it seemed sound. I kinda liked the idea if we are going to say we are in rebuild mode.

Trading Cooley is a perfect example of what makes our team org. Constantly chaising it's tail. Why the heck would anyone in there right mind even consider trading Cooley. Like states. He is what we are trying to do. You don't trade Cooley you try to build a whole team of Cooley. I hate this trade mentality. That's why I opened the thread who you keep not who you sign. If we were to ever trade Cooley not that i think we would. I'm definatly done.

After much thought, I think the best draft choice we can make is . . . . Optimus Prime

YouTube - Transformers: the Movie Optimus Prime Vs. Megatron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXG_zG2SEaw)

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Trade down and add a 3rd take 1st round Max Unger ..He can play OT/C

Add Free Agent OT..Kalif Barnes,or Vernon Carey, Max Starks all could play RT
Add FA OLB Leroy Hill...or Angelo Crowell

3. Marcus Freeman OLB
3. Robert Ayers DE
5. Jeremiah Jhonson RBC
6. Clinton McDonald DT

this could happen and would be really good

NEWS UPDATE>>>>>The Lions will mimic the Falcons this year and take LT at #1
and after a trade with Washington at #13 they get thier QB

Lions First round #1 & #13 after trade
Redskins First round #20 & 3rd Round #80

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Ban yourself.

NEWS UPDATE>>>>>The Lions will mimic the Falcons this year and take LT at #1
and after a trade with Washington at #13 they get thier QB

Lions First round #1 & #13 after trade
Redskins First round #20 & 3rd Round #80

People really need to have a nice long look at a draft value chart before posting trades that make no sense. If you move back from 13 to 20 in the first round you get a late second round pick. There have been teams that moved back one and two picks in the first round and recieved a second round pick as compensation. That is all.

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why?

Given JLCs blog entry yesterday, it seems the skins are planning to keep our defense in tact (for the most part) and focus on our offense. This makes a certain level of sense, since this is JCs contract year and we need to decide if he is our franchise QB or not - this year, we have to do as much as we can to help him out, so there will be no excuses for poor performance on his part in 2009. In JLCs article, it was indicated that the team needs 2 new starting guards, a new starting RT, an explosive running back to compliment Portis, and a real WR. Evidently, we will also likely be fairly inactive in free agency.

I also am chosing to beleive the rumors that we are interested in acquiring more draft picks, both by trading down in the draft and in trading players for draft picks (Rogers, Moss, Betts, and Monty have all allegedly been dangled). If all that is true, here is my revised proposal/prediction for our 2009 offseason:

Noteable Cuts
1. Jason Taylor
2.Shawn Springs
3. Marcus Washington
4. James Thrash

Trade
1. Rogers for a 2nd round pick (I dont like it, but i think its what the skins are trying to do),
2. Moss for a 3rd and 4th (its been rumored the skins want a 2nd but i dont think theyll get it).

Noteable Free Agent Signings
1. DeAngelo Hall
2. Channing Crowder - He's really an ILB, but its been reported Miami is low-balling him on an extension and he wants to test free agency. He's been playing ILB, but I think we move him outside to replace Washington. Ideally, we would sign Dansby, but he's going to be too expensive.
3. Phillip Buchannon - He's no longer an elite corner but an older guy familiar with our style of defense. We need someone to replace Rogers and he could start alongside Hall for the time being .
4.Amani Toomer- I think we actively pursue Devery Henderson but he is out of our price range. Toomer wants to stay in the division so he signs with the skins and is penciled in as a starter to replace Moss.
5. Pete Kendall

Draft
-Skins Trade down in the first round with somone in the 19-21 range and pick up a 2nd round pick. Remember, we have also acquired a 1 pick each in rounds 2, 3 and 4 by trading Moss and Rogers.

1 - Eben Britton, OT, AZ - (Britton becomes our starting RT. His stock has been rising and falling alot recently, but most mocks have him being available in this range. Another option is OT William Betty, UCONN.

2 - Herman Johnson, G, LSU Competes to replace either Kendall or Thomas immediately.

2 - Fili Moala, DE/DT, USC Moala can play inside and outside on the line. We pick him up for his versatility and hope he can work his way to a starting role in the future.

3 - Trevor Canfield, G, Cincy We drafted a dud with Rinehart last year. Hopefully we get it right this year.

3 - Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas Hopefully, Luigs can replace Rabach in 2010.

4, 5, 6 - I see us drafting atleast one LB here, and possibly a DB and/or RB.

I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.

I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.

This would be nice but seems highly unlikely. Springs will never restructure in a way beneficial for the franchise, which means if we keep him he'll garner around 8 million a season and that is regodamndiculous for an aging player who already struggles w/ durability. Even moving him to FS doesn't make sense for that kind of money IMO. Also it's rumored Marcus wants out and the FO is ok w/ that. Def agree w/ you on Griff and at this point my guess is he's back for sure.

Suggs will likely stay in Baltimore from the sounds of it.